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Funny! M Cooper, is this what you were referring to in the other thread?

“The average pay for a Wal-Mart sales associate is $1,000 below the poverty line for a family of three.”

Barring the unexpected death of a spouse, can anyone give me a good reason why anyone would even attempt to raise two kids (or support a kid and spouse) on Wal-Mart sales associate wages?

Someone in USA: WalMart replaces jobs that pay above the poverty level with jobs that pay below the poverty level.  There are therefore fewer jobs in a small or mid-sized community that pay above the poverty level, and more WalMart jobs that pay below the poverty level.  Individuals have a choice of working at below-poverty level job at WalMart or being unemployed.  (Most low-wage individuals don’t have the money to relocate.)

Maybe you’re asking why a family would have the wife stay home with the kids, especially when the kids are young?  That used to be the norm in this country, and alot of families still see the advantage to the children of having mom at home.

Remember, Walmart does not create jobs; WalMart replaces higher-paying jobs with poverty-level jobs.

I’ve seen this statistic come up several times in various articles on this site and others.  Depends upon the site, or maybe the state, but the quote is that the average wage for a Wal-Mart cashier, or sales associate, it below the poverty level for a family of three (some posts it is family of four).  Is it a reasonable expectation to be able to support a family on a sales associate wages? Or is this simply a statistic to be quoted because it sounds bad for Wal-Mart?  Do the Mom and Pop shops pay better or worse?  Do they have insurance/benefits for employees?  What is a reasonable wage expectation for an entry level (or even experienced Retail employee)?

JJ, it just happened yesterday. it will most likely start showing up all over the place in a few hours (today - monday).

I - CAN’T - STOP - LAUGHING!

Just reading abnout it, I can tell it was an overwhelming success! It’s SO unusual and “far fetched”, that it’s sure to be a national story!

Your average mom and pop store is not bringing in $10 billion in profits a year or expanding at the same rate. It’s not right to compare them. A WM comes into their area and their fiscal contraints tend to get even tighter.

As for the poverty level. Basically you go with yearly take home pay based off of the $9 something or $8 something average wages and compare to the federal poverty level guidelines chart which is the product of the Office of Homeland Security. Those 8 and 9 something an hour wages (in the cases of 3 or 4 member families) are either on the wrong side or perilously close. Considering the higher and higher costs of health care--even the insurance that WM offers its employees--is it any wonder that so many don’t participate?

I also like DeeDee’s point about the time when many families could afford to live with single wage earners. Without a doubt it’s better for family stability. Better for the kids. One of the problems is taxes and government waste--so more taxes. Another is the continued drop in real wages.
WM like many others has fully taken advantage of this situation for their own profit--on top of which with us being ‘global’ now American workers and whatever wages they make are being pitted against hundreds of millions of Asian and South American workers whose governments have no standards about wages, workers rights, the enviroment etc. or if they do have standards will not enforce them. Many of them are corrupt from top to bottom. Look at our own which isn’t so hot either. If we’re setting standards for the rest of the world you’d have to wonder. The Chinese steal patent rights, manipulate currency exchange--the North Korean govt. at least according to yesterday’s New York Times is counterfeiting US $100 bills. This idea of ‘global’ in reality gives us almost no protection against vultures like these.

Has OPRAH done anything on how Walmart abuses the workers?
IF OPRAH cares so much about women, then I think it’s Time we protest at HARPO studios in Chicago.  She needs to be at the forefront because I believe these working conditions are abusive and are like slavery.

Pete in Orlando: what does Oprah have to do with anything?  Oh, right, your post was just an attempt to deflect the issue away from WalMart and onto entertainer Oprah Winfrey.

some fact checking:

Deedee says: “WalMart replaces jobs that pay above the poverty level with jobs that pay below the poverty level. “

WMT does not replace jobs. They hire people (and sometimes fire them). They do not shut other businesses down. I can’t recall the last time they actually put anyone out of work. They did buy an online media service a couple of years ago. Who knows, maybe they fired 20 people from this?

deedee again: “Remember, Walmart does not create jobs; WalMart replaces higher-paying jobs with poverty-level jobs. “

Please check the facts on this. Their workforce is growing. They create jobs (hire people) at a large rate than they fire them. Also, there is no such thing as a poverty-level job. Whether or not someone is in poverty depends on their lifestyle choices.

pete asks: “Has OPRAH done anything on how Walmart abuses the workers?”

The number of actual abuse cases (real ones, not frivolous lawsuits) is very small when you look at the number of employees they have.

also pete: “ She needs to be at the forefront because I believe these working conditions are abusive and are like slavery. “

The positions pay well (everyone admits they are above the poverty level for a single person). The workers are not owned by anyone. In fact, they can quit any time the want to. The only reason they are there, in fact, is because they chose to come there and like the place. None of the conditions of the definition of slavery come even close to being met. Saying it is “like slavery” is almost a racist slander on the real victims of real slavery.

You are just as bad as those who take any minor inconvenience and say it is “just like the Nazi Holocaust” (which, actually, the company Wal-Mart did once!).

“Also, there is no such thing as a poverty-level job. Whether or not someone is in poverty depends on their lifestyle choices.”

somefactchecking in In America-

You are largely correct in this statement. It needs some clarification as there are exceptions, but most people who live in poverty have chosen that lifestyle, whether or not they realize it and come to terms with it. You know when you get pregnant whether or not you can support the child. Yet people keep the kid anyway, and often have more. You know when you screw around in high school that you are potentially ruining your chances in college. Yet people do. These are just two of the better examples of how people choose to live in poverty. It is not right for anyone to expect to be subsidized for ruining their own lives. That is exactly what these anti-Wal-Mart activists are suggesting Wal-Mart do.

somefactchecking--

you said that “the positions pay well.” what positions are you talking about?  please tell me that you are talking about the executive level positions (like CEO H. Lee Scott who made $27 million last year.)

if these jobs pay so well, why does wal-mart lead all companies in employees on taxpayer funded health care.  if these jobs pay so well, why does the average wal-mart sales clerk make $14K a year (is that a position that pays well, significantly below the poverty line.)

somefactchecking is a cute name for you on this blog, now if you only could only measure up to your alter-ego on this blog…

JJ-

There were well over 100 people.  There were 100 hazmat suits and they ran out.  www.kshb.com still has a video clip of the event.

This is directed straight at “somefactchecking/someone"I’m sorry to rain on your parade but their is a such thing as a poverty level job!and this country is full of them!Iused to work for that self rightious greed infested company,until I got smart enough to see it wasn’t going anywhere!here are some REAL facts for you-one of my ck stubs for period8/7/04-8/20/04 I brought home a staggering $461dollars roughly one year later I brought home (can I get a drumroll please)$502 for period 8/6to8/19 2005! now you tell me what lifestyle(other than slavery)I can have w/that! I dont drink, do any drugs of any kind, I do smoke however,so your telling me and everyone here I suppose that I should quit smoking “because it’s not feasable for my income"well give me the $ for the gum/patches to do it then dumb ass and also maybe those goddamn managers should change their lifestyle and try treating people w/ a little respect!should somebodys’ respect be based on their income!?

Someone in USA: Maybe those WalMart workers are “choosing poverty” when the factory they used to work at relocated to Mexico or China, and the only jobs in town were the $7/hour with minimal (if any) benefits job at WalMart, and so, rather than be unemployed, they took the job at WalMart.  Maybe those who “can’t afford” a baby should just have taxpayer-funded abortions and thus decrease the poverty-level population. (*shudders*) Maybe ... here’s a thought, just maybe .... people don’t really “choose” poverty but get caught in poverty like a hiker might get caught in quicksand.
Later .....

I always enjoy reading posts filled with emotion in the place that should be occupied by reason.

Ronnie-

I’m not going to look around for them, but I am sure there are poverty level jobs out there. By poverty-level, I mean jobs below the poverty level for a single individual. Attempting to support another individual is voluntary, so no job failing to support multiple persons can be classified as poverty-level. (Notice that in my initial post I said that clarification needed.)

“so your telling me and everyone here I suppose that I should quit smoking “because it’s not feasable for my income”

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m telling you. Economics is about choices. You choose to smoke rather than eat, or whatever else you could be spending that money on. That is your choice. No one owes you any patches or anything to help you quit. You were not born a smoker. That was your choice. Your decision to utilize an addictive substance does not entitle you to special treatment because you now find yourself unable to stop. If you want to quit, I’m sure you can find a way. If not, become qualified for a better job that pays enough to support you habit. Every choice you make has consequences. You need to learn to live with them. The key is personal responsibility, a concept it sounds like you need to learn.

DeeDee-

I never said anything about tax-payer funded abortions. I hear coat hangers work just fine for that. Or...and I know this is a stretch...adoption.

Working in factories is great and all, but in a post-industrial society, those jobs tend to be replaced by jobs in service and technology. People should be prepared for that. It is a choice not to be prepared. You can’t tell me people in factories aren’t aware of the risk.

DeeDee, if it is as bad as you say, can you explain the 1.5 million people that are working for Wal-Mart???  How do you justify all of your malarchy about how bad it is??? 

You wrote “WalMart replaces higher-paying jobs with poverty-level jobs.”
Is this factual?  Do you have any statistics to support this, or is this the same rhetoric that you read over and over again on this website???  Have you been brainwashed???

Michael D-

Now! Now! Be fair! I’m sure at least one person working at Wal-Mart is there because he lost his job at a factory that got shut down...and we all know that the only reason this happens is because the evil buyers at Wal-Mart force these factories’ executives to relocate overseas with the threat of being boiled in oil for failure to comply. Those of us who deny this absolute truth are the ones who have really been brainwashed.

JJ

I am a volunteer.  I have no more details than that.  ACORN is a nonprofit, and was most likely working within a budget.  I’m pretty sure there were over 150 people there.  We were spread out on the 4 corners of a convention center - so no, the 20 second video clip you saw did not get everyone of us.  If you are in KC, why did you not come out and count for yourself?  It is much easier to bad-mouth on the internet than it is to actually show up in solidarity.

It was a well organzied spectacular event - and it was able to get earned media - thus spreading the message and raising awareness.

Michael D in Connecticut:

I’m sure it must please you to know that Wal_Mart isn’t the only company F---ing America over!  You probably heard the news today about Exxon Mobil’s record $10.7 billion in profits for this quarter.  Exxon and the other oil companies must barely be making it though because the price went up again at the pump.

In case Dee Dee doen’t answer you regarding the lost jobs in this country, please allow me:

“The rise in the U.S. trade deficit with Canada and Mexico through 2004 has caused the displacement of production that supported 1,015,291 U.S. jobs since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed in 1993. Jobs were displaced in every state and major industry in the United States. Since NAFTA took effect, the growth of exports supported approximately 1 million U.S. jobs, but the growth of IMPORTS displaced domestic production that would have supported 2 million jobs.” Let’s see now....what company was it again that’s importing all that stuff from China and Bangladesh?

SOURCE:  http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/ib214

Can anyone substantiate this statement?
“The average pay for a Wal-Mart sales associate is $1,000 below the poverty line for a family of three.”

The statement was taken from the body of the thread.

Last I heard average pay for a full time associate was $10.11/hour which equals out to approximately $21,000/Year which is above the poverty level for a family of four(20,000).

Lindsey in KC-

Maybe you can answer the question asked in my previous post?

Cooper
How would like to live on $10.11 per hour? You moron.

Edward,

Last time I checked, $10.11 is almost double the FEDERAL minimum wage.  It is handy that you leave that out to quote an abstract number such as the FEDERAL poverty level.  If you think that a company should pay its employees an amount that reaches X amount of money to support a family of three, then contact your representitives and tell them that congress needs to re-figure the minimum wage since you feel that what it is at now is not sufficent. 

Screwedby said “Let’s see now....what company was it again that’s importing all that stuff from China and Bangladesh? “ Hmm...how about every company selling anything retail.  Be it from T-shits to automoblies.  As from your quote, “since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed in 1993”...I do not think it was Walmart that passed NAFTA through congress.  Once passed, nearly ALL companies that produce something moved out of the US. I dont see Walmart selling Ford or GM automobiles yet they are moving/shutting things down at a record pace.  While I agree that Walmart does import a lot from overseas, it isn’t the only company guilty of this. If Walmart closed up shop today, one of the other big retailers would take its place as the number one importer.  Like the healthcare issue, a long term solution needs to be created, not a quick fix by attacking a single company.

Cooper-
I cannot.  However, I will look into it.  I will not be near internet for a few days.  Sit tight - I’ll deliver.

Why is it that no other retail chains (Target, KMart) are ever mentioned?  I also work for a major chain and I am not offered ANY type of insurance.  No profit sharing, no incentives...I can go on.  I also started at $6.50 an hour part-time for something to do nights while my spouse was at work.  I applied at 3 different places and the starting wages were all the SAME!!! Retail is retail!!!  For all the bitching people do about WM, someone forgot to tell the 15,000 applicants at the new Chicago store how BAD it is.  And yes, I partly agree with some of these comments.  You in part choose your destiny.  Those who choose higher education, get better jobs.  If you can’t afford kids, don’t have them.  Life is about choices.

Oh by the way...did WM Watch pay Garth and Sally Field for the right to use thier characters?  I think there might be some legal issues here.  The song was funny but i doubt it will stop the millions of people who shop discount retailers from going to the stores.

cooper--

the number that you are looking at for the average wal-mart employee (you said $10.11) is based on ALL employees of the company, including executives like H.Lee Scott who make multiple millions of dollars a year; $27,000,000/yr. in H. Lee’s case.

the number that you should be looking at is significantly lower, the average pay for a sales clerk/cashier/etc.  while still above the “minimum” wage, it is a poverty wage.

if any of the apologists on this blog doubt me, do what i have done, apply for a job at a wal-mart; not some management level job, but apply to be a sales clerk/greeter/stock person/etc.  ask what the pay is, i guarantee you it is hovering around the $6/$7 dollar mark; not the $21,000/yr that cooper is talking about.

let me know if you find differently...until then please do not say that $8 bucks an hour with no health care or health insurance that requires a $1000 out of pocket deductible is a great job.

Ryan-

From Wal-Mart’s own site, that figure is claimed to be for hourly associates at the store level. That would exclude salaried managers and executives. I think I’ll trust that rather than your undocumented source.

I know what Wal-Mart pays. It’s not great, but it’s not horrible. Will I be staying after college? No. Still, it’s a livable wage if you’re single with no dependents or your spouse works. (Read my comments above before replying to this statement.)

Ryan--
I am a WM employee that makes $11 an hour, has insurance for $80 a month with a $350 deductable. I’m a stocker.

How ridiculous can you get?  Is WM forcing people to apply, pulling them off of the streets and writing their applications for them?  Is WM signing their job offers for them?  Is WM getting up every morning and driving these ‘mistreated’ associates to work and back home each night?  Don’t think so....

what you guys don’t seem to realize is that through your good intentions you will ultimently hurt wal-mart empolyees. because through all this insurance crap walmart will be forced to cut their full time employees in half or even less then half,, Is that what you all want?  They are already continplating cutting back to 40 percent full time people. NOw if you think that not haveing insurance is bad, try not haveing a job at all....

Think about it !

We have people at my store making $34000 a year and they are hourly associates only working 40 hrs per week.  The only people who get $7.00 an hour is new hires and then they get a raise in 90 days.  I make over $20000 a year and the proverty level for one person is $9500.  So I think I am well above the poverty level. I have better benefits than any other place I have worked.  If a person will live within their means they can do alright on what I make.  Sure I would like to make big bucks like the top management but I don’t have the qualifications so I accept that.  The union people on this site don’t give a rat’s ass about the associates in the wal-mart stores, they just want to take money from them and give them nothing in return.

ryan in chicago-
You are referring to starting wages, and I am reffering to overall average.  You are wrong about the average wage including all salaries it only includes hourly associates.  Please check your facts before spewing out the mouth.  I do not know of anyone on this site that as said working at WalMart was a great job, I am sure there are great posistions within the company, however the majority are entry level jobs that require little if any education.  Let me know what other jobs out there pay a starting wage of approximately $15,000/year + benefits, with no education.

hey are already continplating cutting back to 40 percent full time people. NOw if you think that not haveing insurance is bad, try not haveing a job at all....

Think about it !

walmart employee in wal-mart USA

Well That sux on you part but if wal-mart does this it just shows how Fing dumb they really are. what health care state run come on we all know what they are doing to find the loop holes and for sure they are good at that

What difference does it make?  Do you even really care like you all seem to profess to care???  if you did then this whole thing about the insurance wouldn’t be happening..

theres a big difference between not haveing insurance and not haveing a job…

Get real people!!!!

Don’t get me wrong Im not saying walmart is perfect and infact they do somethings that really boils my blood! But what ever happend to freedom of choice ????  What if someone doesn’t really want insurance??

The health insurance thing has been a problem long before walmart ever became a store with many other companies. This one is deffeinly not walmarts fault… Just a fact of todays world because health insurance along with everything else has become very expensive....

Whats next ??? will the gas shortage be walmarts fault too???

Bravo, WM Empoyee… As I said yesterday, we all have the freedom of choice.  If we don’t like something, including the place we work, the QUIT AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!  Healthcare is a national issue.  And did those studies mention that 15-25% of WM associates are under the age of 21? They are in high school/college and are covered by their parents anyway? Wouldn’t we all be better off spending our free time doing volunteer work or helping the homeless?  Oh wait...I bet they’re homeless because of WM.  Silly me.  Seems like an awful lot of effort goes into beating up a store when in the end, it won’t make a difference.  If they build it, we will shop.  I’ve been in a union environment and we voted them out.  I will never pay someone else to speak for me while I have a voice of my own.  They just take your dues and pretend they help you.  Ask any GM or Ford employee.  Those dues help pay for fancy cars, retirement funds and vacations the union bosses get to take.  Seems like the loss of union employees in the last few years may be taking a toll on on some of their expense accounts and leisure activities.  My brother was a guest of a union local official at a football game once.  Funny how us regular people don’t get to sit in luxury boxes at the games.  We have to freeze in the stands along with the other 60K people that can’t afford such things.  Hey!  Maybe WMart can buy their own football team and build a stadium just for us Po’ Folk.  Hmmm....  IT"S ALL ABOUT CHOICES PEOPLE!!!!!

Check out Business Week, Oct 6, 2003 - for some information on walmart employee wages.  Workers deserve better. 

The best part of the protest on Sunday was listening to the international walmart workers.  They were from the Philippines and Nicaragua. They made brands like faded glory and white stag and made $5 and $7 a day.  Again, workers deserve better.

Hey Linsey...I agree with Fed Up in Florida...it’s all about choice.  Don’t like it?  Quit.  Nobody is twisitng their arm to make them work there.  go work for Target, KMart or almost any other retail or food industry job and see how much you make. 

As for the items made in foreign lands, you might want to check what the pay tables are in those countries.  I work for a major company that outsources many departments, including payroll.  The going wage in these countries is what it is.  $5-7 a day in some countries is the average pay scale...no matter what they make for whom.  You think Juan Veldez gets paid $15 an hour to pick your coffee beans? Think again.  If you have a beef with wages that foreign countries pay their workers, talk to those governments.  And I dare you to find any other retailer out there that doesn’t buy from these same places. Come on...get real.  You people are all beginning to sound really stupid.  You’re wasting your time.  Go pick on someone else.

wal-mart doesn’t own the white stag or faded glory factories, they just buy from them.  You know why the factories that make these brands are in the Phillippines and Nicaragua, because the company couldn’t make them in the US and pay what the union tried to force them to pay to get them made.  I worked for a Leslie Fay factory and they moved it south of the border because the union wanted to much(and that was a lot less than I make at wal-mart)for making the clothes.  So you see we don’t have to worry about wal-mart leaving the U.S., because wal-mart will NEVER BE UNIONIZED......

if you really wanna know the answer to all of this hopla over health insurance and everything else that plags this country, there is only one answer and one answer only…

We must put GOD first in this country, we must bring back GOD to this country!!!  I Know many of you (well probably all of you don’t agree with me) but I don’t care !!!  ITS THE TRUTH!!!

And my advice to walmart is to put GOD back into your stores!!!  When I first became an assoicate 11 years ago we said a prayer before each day and before each meeting..  And let me tell you SALES went out the roof!!!

Walmart if you want all your problems to go away then bring GOD back into the store!!!!

walmart employee

I agree with you 100%.  We all need God in our companies and in our lives.  It would make the world a better place to live and work.

It’s not very Christian to pay your top executive $8,434/hr. while paying your average worker $9.68/hr. and to subdue and destroy dozens of American companies forcing millions of people to make less money.

In the 50’s most jobs paid family wages. Now, few jobs do yet the executives make more. This is not a good thing.

Sheesh!

It amazes me yet again you expect a ‘corporation’ to do what our government cannot do. Wal-Mart should not put its 1.5 million associates on a medical program, its not their job. They do take care of their associates, being one for six years and getting through college, I’ve decided to stay with the company, and climb the ranks. I’m 22, and now make well above the national average for the position im in. and my healcare costs? 17.00 a paycheck. Wal-Mart has made efforts to help reduce medical costs, and improve health, and also, ITs the only company besides the Government that has over 1.3 million associates.  Now, I’m all about my company being better, and yes, we can strive to do that. But for people to EXPECT things to occur or come to them while they are just ‘cashiers’...Is not thinkable. Promote within the company and get more pay. Do you want us to pay cashiers 15.00/hr and have customers paying 9.00 for milk?

Also, why are we not focusing on the McDonalds, Wendys, of the world, that still pay at minimal wage levels?

Upsetoverstupidissues-

Good post. You make sense. The WMWer’s don’t like people with intelligence, so you should stick around just to get to them. If you’re really lucky, Screwed will call you a troll.

In answer to your questions::

1) WMW would love to have Wal-Mart pay cashiers $15.00/hr with at least a third of that lining union pockets. They don’t care where that money comes from.

2) Apparently Wal-Mart is far more morally bankrupt and evil than McDonald’s. Wal-Mart funds terrorists and plots to overthrow the U.S. government to protect it’s monopoly. All McDonald’s does is pay minimum wage and contribute to America’s growing obesity problem.

someone in USA, You gotta be kidding !  Your insulting the very people you claim to be concerned about ? Who’s evil ?

maybe you should take a look in the mirro and ask yourself that question.

Don’t prentend to care! ever hear of the word Hipacrit???

walmart is just a company trying to make a profit just like any other company out there.  Upsetoverstupidissues, you are right they are not responsible for anyones personal life.

I have been a walmart associate for 11 years and I don’t consider myself to be unintellegent, infact my IQ measures at 120 doesn’t sound like someone who is unintellegent at all does it!

I do happen to care about those employees who I work with and in stores all over the country,, This whole thing is going to drive the country in to seirous trouble especially if they have to drop over half their full time people!  DO YOU UNDERSAND THAT????  Its really not to complicated to understand !!!!

Sarcasm, walmart employee. My answers to the questions were shots at certain WMWer’s. They know who they are.

Who is it you think I’m insulting? I never said you were unintelligent. Upset’s post stood out to me as something to which I ought to respond. Perhaps this is because he and I have walked a similar path. I’m not going to take the time to stroke every single posting Wal-Mart defender’s ego. Regarding the issues, my understanding is perfect. Apparently you haven’t read my other posts.

I don’t exactly understand why you responded to my post, though it clearly went over your head. Do you even know what side I’m on? You must not be that smart after all, or else your IQ score reflects quite negatively on the population as a whole. It’s no wonder even Screwed thinks you are an idiot. Your comments are incoherent and emotional. They have no place in the discussions on these blogs. At least try to sound respectable, rather than giving reasonable Wal-Mart apologists like myself a bad image.

...and no, I have never heard of the word, “Hipacrit.”

walmart employee in walmart:

I knew sooner or later one of you Wal-Mart lovers were going to play the “God card.” I think you are right...wherever God is, he should beat cleats down to Bentonville and talk some sense into those people of yours!

To Everyone-
Have you noticed any of screweds posts? Or maybe Bill Sampson or Edward, have you noticed the similarities? I have the give the most incoherent responses I have ever heard. They take me back to my elementary years on the play ground the would all run around and make fun of the other kids but when they encountered one who would stand up they would run off and hide behind the teacher and yell out “you can’t get me”.  It is funny how things don’t change.  There are posers on this site who think they are standing up for something. The problem is that they are not standing up for anything, not even their own ideas.  It is obvious they hear something and go off to repeat it, only to find out that they were too stupid to understand what it was they heard.  So instead of defending the idea they lash out to whom or whatever opposes them.  These are they type of people that just follow the crowd.  It is just like the old saying goes “birds of the same feather flock together” these birds (anti-Wal-Mart) do not really know why or where they are going.  That is why they are not able to defend their statements without attacking.  All they know is that they were told to fly south so that is where they are going.  Any ways I have come to realize that it is pointless to argue with these folks they have been programmed to say “bad Wal-Mart” and nothing else.

Someone in USA, Yep just as I thought you don’t give a Da_ about walmart employees or this subject ! 

you sound as if your ahaveing a manic moment or something.  your post sure was emotional !!!

Walmart employee-

Word of the day: hypocrite
n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold

It seems I struck a nerve. Reread my post. Did I say anything to which you haven’t lended credence? Your posts are rather disorganized and you give little justification for what you believe. When people read that they have a tendency to think you are twelve. They don’t take you seriously and you become a target for attack. You become a weakness to your position, diminishing the perceived validity of the stance as a whole, no matter who else espouses it. Do you understand?

Furthermore, your comments on my post to Upset make it obvious that you did not understand what you were reading. Don’t you think that it’s better to hold your tongue in situations like that rather than spout off and appear a fool? If you had read my other posts, you would be have seen where I was coming from and why I wrote what I did.

I think I’ve been quite clear. Respond if you like, but if you do, don’t waste my time with drivel. As amusing as it is, I prefer to be amused by those who oppose my perspective, not those who purportedly share it.

Someone in USA, You are proveing my point about you with your flaming post!  You’ve been caught now you have to cover up! NOPE its not working with me!!!

Like I said before I AM A WALMART EMPLOYEE AND I DO CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO WALMART WORKERS! I also supported my child off of walmart wages,, (but of course thats a totally different issue)

just because I happen to think that this insurance issue is not walmarts problem or fault doesn’t mean I don’t care!

It is better to have a job then to not have insurance,,,

if you go back in read my post again perhaps you will get it!

doesn’t really matter though!  your opinoin doesn’t mean anything to me at all !  So carry on Someone in USA, keep flameing !!!!

You figured me out walmart employee in walmart usa. I couldn’t care less about what happens to hourly associates at Wal-Mart as long as the company keeps making money at their expense. We should just bust everyone down to part-time. We can still get 32 hours out of them that way without paying benefits. Yes sir. I’m an hourly myself, so why would I care what happens to that class of associate? That would just be stupid.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm???  UHHHHHHHHHHHH...........???

Yup.

I am considering writing to my local representative and senator.  I propose that they introduce a law that would require Wal-Mart to start first-time cashiers off at $55,000 per year so that they can support their family of four.

GIVE ME A FREAKIN’ BREAK, PEOPLE.  GET YOU CRANIUM OUT OF YOUR ANUS!!!!! 

All of you that think that it is a company’s responsibility to provide above poverty wages AND great healthcare are seriously sick in the squash!!!  Were all of you born with a silver spoon in your mouth?  Did all of you never work in a minimum wage or low paying job?  Geeez.....

*sighs at the unbelievable stupidity on this site*

Yep. Walmart employee, you got me. I hate every single Wal-Mart employee. I enjoy the fact that my company makes billions at the expense of it’s workers. I’m hourly too, but who cares, I’ve got it good. Hourly management is great.

I love seeing slutty teenage mothers struggle to get by on Wal-Mart’s minuscule wages. If only we carried EC’s. Then they wouldn’t have had to keep their legs closed. What you couldn’t afford an abortion? Coat hangers are in aisle five!Heaven forbid they take accountability for their actions. What, the state lets them on welfare and condemns us for not paying enough. Hogwash! Why don’t they just find the kids a good home away from that whore of a mother. Next thing you know, we’ll be asked to subsidize employee smoking habits.

I laugh with glee when I see the cashiers come in every day with their Starbuck’s and complain about health insurance. They don’t need healthcare. If they get sick we’ll just fire them and hire another idiot off the street. Maybe the replacement will actually do its job. It’s great having an expendable work force! It’s hilarious because we forced the factory they used to work for overseas and ran all of the other retailers out of town. (Hard to get those factories to relocate, but when you kidnap an exec’s family his company will do anything you want.) So, Maryland thinks we should have to put out money for healthcare. Those fools! Joke’s on them! We will completely eliminate full-time positions, well not hourly management. Just the useless positions that already make poverty level wages. Now we’re going to build a Wal-Mart in your kids’ school and force them to work there (unpaid, of course, so as not to violate child labor laws. They aren’t technically employed.)

The lowlife bottom of the barrel scum in our stores ought to be working 16-hour days for 30 cents an hour, but we can’t do that. Instead, we have them work 10-hour days with no breaks and 2 hours off the clock. We can get by with that. Let’s not forget that women belong in the kitchen pregnant and barefoot. They shouldn’t have careers, so we refuse to promote them. Is that a union I see? Well we can’t have that! The employees need to suffer. Let’s fire the ringleaders. If that doesn’t work, sales have been pretty poor this year, so we might need to close.

It was my idea to take god out of the stores. Didn’t have anything at all to do with the fact that there are diverse religious beliefs out there. We all know the real god is Tom Coughlin. We wanted to name a library after him, but that got messed up. Maybe he’s not god after all. Perhaps we should build a new mansion for each member of the Walton family with the CMN donations we steal from our suppliers, associates, and customers. We will call each one a Church of the Almighty Dollar.

Hopefully we can get into banking. I have no clue what an ILC is, but we all know this Bank of Wal-Mart thing is really a scheme to get our foot into the banking industry. Before you know it, we will be the only bank in the U.S. No wonder Greenspan criticized it. That sly dog. Good thing he’s out! Or, do I like him? That’s right, I do! He has helped us make a mess of the economy. Now the Chinese people will want cars and Americans will have to pay $10/gal for gas. That’s right, Screwed. You’ve figured me out.

Is it any wonder we are possibly the greatest player ever in the game of capitalism? If this is how all hourly managers think, you should hear what’s coming out of Bentonville. I hear Lee Scott dresses up like Hitler! Heil, mein Fuhrer! Heil Scott!

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That’s right Someone--- I’ve figured you out a long time ago.  You’re a college kid who’s an hourly wage earner at Wal-Mart.

And you still wonder why I don’t “debate” with you?  Maybe you should talk to me in another 20 years or so when you’ve had a little more “life experience.” In the meantime...learn some respect for your “elders.”

Well...duh!

It’s not as if I tried to hide it. Did you think I was in college and salaried? You won’t debate me because you’re afraid of being beaten by a “kid” with no “life experience.” It’s funny, living twice as long or longer doesn’t seem to have helped many of my subordinates make something of their lives.

...and Screwed...How old are you? From your posts I could have sworn you were thirteen.

Someone in USA-
I have to disagree with you, I think screweds mentality reflects that of at most a twelve year old.  Only a young child could throw in a boner comment, and think he may be making a point.  If he is not a child he is most certainly a fag.

Ahh, yes Someone in USA, you are just a young college kid out for kicks. And no dought being supported by Daddy !

until you learn how to get it for yourself, don’t start thinking you know what others need or don’t need, You don’t have the experience or the insight!

the thing is just as I said before, if this insurance thing happens, this will force walmart to lower full timers down to part time and most will lose their job, this could be catastropic for this country, the loss of that many jobs could very well send the USA back into another great depression along with all the other lay offs ,, The ford company, chrysler company, and most of the factories closeing down. People need to wake up!!!!  WE are teetering on the edge of another great depression!!! 

Think about It !!!

Oh and by the way Someone in USA I am in college too, however with alot of life exsperience but I don’t feel the need to show off like that..

What’s that sound I hear again?  Waaaah, Waaaah, Waaaah!

Oh--nevermind!  It’s just Cooper crying and calling people names again!  Thanks for the laughs COOP!

walmart employee-

For the last time: I DO NOT SUPPORT FORCING WAL-MART TO PAY HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS!!!

If I did, don’t you think Screwed and I would get along?

I am also against dropping the number of full time employees.

walmart employee, I understand your position entirely, though I believe you exaggerate the severity of the problem. Nothing can “force” Wal-Mart to drop any associates to part time (though they probably would in this case). There is a difference between being forced and choosing.

As long as Wal-Mart has the customer base it does, it cannot afford to lose too many jobs without replacing them. (Now, that’s not to say they don’t think they can.) You work for the company. Surely you see how miserable the staffing is already. You should try writing schedules. It sucks!

I never said that wasn’t your position , now did I ???

However you are a show off !!!!

And no company can afford to make up the cost, what they will do is reduce their full time down to 40 percent and rehire only part time people… The way they don’t have to pay full time bennifits,, Get it ???

Oh and Id love to make out the schedule ...