California Attorney General would like to kindly remind you to check your receipt

Jerry Brown finally grew some balls! Or did the lesbian D.A. get some off a sex offender and give them to him?

Probably helping him out for the return favor, of ruling the prop. 8 vote needed to be reviewed/heard by “Rosie & the Supremes”

Amazing- even though the voters overwhelmingly voted for Prop. 8 and against Gay marriage- Leave it to California to try and over turn the will of the people. No wonder they call it the “land of Fruits & Nuts”

Nice slap in Walmarts face, even from a septic tank full of Liberal, waste of skin, hypocrites.

Leave it to California to try and over turn the will of the people.

Let me tweak that for you, Mark.

Leave it to California to try and over turn the will of the people of Utah.

That’s better.

The Walmart mentality propagates the idea that more crap will make us happy. ~ Phil Butler

So that many people from Utah were able to vote in California?  Impressive system they have there.

“Now we find out that two local [Bentonville,Arkansas]Wal-Mart executives were major financial contributors to the campaign supporting passage of California Proposition 8 to prevent marriages between people they have never met.

Richard Dalton, a computer-assisted reporting specialist, compiled an analysis of Prop. 8 campaign contributions for the Associated Press. The analysis is based on campaign finance reports submitted to the Calif. Secretary of State’s Office since 2007 and contains data current as of November 3rd. You can search the database for Arkansas contributions to see who has contributed money to the campaigns supporting and opposing California’s Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage by clicking here."~The Iconoclast,November 14,2008~~~~~~NOTE: Apparently ,Dave,you missed the memo about the WalMart managers who contributed $5,000 each to defeat Prop 8 in California. As this site no longer links, I suggest one go to Jonah Tebbetts Iconoclast website for the link,AND the “rest of the story”.BTW, I didn’t see in Ken’s remark where he said that the Utahans ACTUALLY voted in California,either,but they supported it,just as the WalMArt Arkansan execs did from the illustration on Tebbet’s website.

Wal-Mart asks for, and receives, permission to join homosexual marriage group

Wal-Mart comes out of the closet

August 31, 2006

Wal-Mart, the largest retailer in the world, has asked for and received permission to join the National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce.  The NGLCC is a leading promoter of homosexual marriage.

Although Wal-Mart has never excluded homosexuals from being employees, customers, or suppliers, the company wanted to be more closely identified with promoting the homosexual agenda.  Wal-Mart is now a “corporate member” of the NGLCC, putting their approval on the NGLCC’s efforts to abolish the definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman.  A Wal-Mart vice president will serve as an advisor to the NGLCC, helping them promote homosexual marriage.

Wal-Mart agreed to give $25,000 to the NGLCC and to pay for two conferences scheduled by NGLCC.  Also, Wal-Mart will give homosexual-owned businesses special treatment when making purchases.  Companies not owned by homosexuals will be moved down the list.

NGLCC called Wal-Mart’s action “part of the company’s ongoing commitment to advancing diversity (homosexuality) among all of its associate, supplier and customer bases.”

Wal-Mart is offering the same kind of support for homosexual marriage which Ford Motor Company has been giving to homosexual groups for years.

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“Nice slap in Walmarts face, even from a septic tank full of Liberal, waste of skin, hypocrites.”
Mark

Since homosexuality is a death penalty offense in both the Old and New Testament, perhaps now Mark has found the hypocritical balls to go out and confront again the dead will of Bentonville in Gay WalMart fashion beyond check out fraud. This was WalMart opportunism against the family, against marriage definition between one man and one woman, against Christianity and against Prop 8 like meaning just 2 years ago.

Perhaps Mark is really just a septic tank liberal himself when it comes to convenient pro-WalMart two faced culture fraud in typical queer Bentonville hostility to Christian morality.

Jerry’s AG theology may not immediately crush WalMart like the cockroach that it is, but big things have small beginnings.

“Since homosexuality is a death penalty offense in both the Old and New Testament” - SDV- Socially Deranged Venereal Disease.

If thats the case, why are you still blogging?

“If thats the case, why are you still blogging?”
Mark the imbecile

To confront the pro-homosexual, pro-WalMart indifferent sleazebags like yourself trying to pass themselves off as having some kind of moral fiber.

Mark,

I find your indifference to WalMart’s Gay and Lesbian agenda and Bentonville’s contribution to the National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce standard immorality for today’s pro-WalMart trolls.

Perhaps you and RDS can find a secular conservative ‘room’ together and check each other out for Christhating ‘social derangement’ and other hostilities to Christian morality. After all, RDS is a kook that cannot stand capitalism that must behave itself and you are another blind hillbilly that doesn’t mind being molested by pro-WalMart imbecility, Ayn Rand style.

WalMart- America’s number 1 retailer of preventable cancer through cigarette sales. We help to kill 400,000 Americans every year.

SDV,

I find this confusing, first ddrb posts: “Wal-Mart executives were major financial contributors to the campaign supporting passage of California Proposition 8 to prevent marriages between people they have never met.”, then you post:  “A Wal-Mart vice president will serve as an advisor to the NGLCC, helping them promote homosexual marriage.”, so which is it, are they ‘against’ same sex marriage or ‘for it’?

“After all, RDS is a kook that cannot stand capitalism that must behave itself”

My problem with your evaluation of ‘capitalism’, is that you believe it only behaves itself, when it does what YOU want it to do!!  If the say “Happy Hollidays”, to accomodate ALL of their customers different religious beliefs, YOU howl that they are anti-christian!!  If they sell ‘legal’ products, you say they are ‘Killing people’!!  And, if they don’t censor products, YOU think should be censored, they are ‘not behaving themselves’!!  Then, you turn around and PRAISE Costco, even though THEY sell the SAME items you complain about Wal-Mart selling and not censoring!!  You sir, are nothing but a big hypocrite!!  You talk about God and how you are such a ‘great’ Christian, but, constantly complain about how Wal-Mart is setting up shop in other countries, that will help other God’s children, instead, you say ‘screw those people, God loves Americans first and foremost’!!  YOU are jealous of the Waltons, in violation of the Commandments about ‘coveting that which is thy neighbors’ and then have the nerve, to call yourself a Christian!!  And, lastly, you slam the one store that has catered to the ‘poor’ and want to take away that option from them to have a place where they can ‘save money’ and stretch the value of their dollars, you push for ‘better wages’ there, saying Wal-Mart is creating ‘poverty’, as if Wal-Mart is and was the only business in the U.S., that pays ‘lower wages’!!  If you take away the Wal-Mart option, where will people who work at ‘convenient stores’, ‘fast food’, etc., find a place to survive on their paychecks?

I may seem like a ‘kook’ to you, but, to me, you are nothing but a hypocrite, idiotic, FAKE Christian, you wouldn’t know a ‘real’ Christian morality, if it slapped you in the face!!

RDS,

Your WalMart worship is noted again. Moral relativism and a Christhating indifference to reality is no way to go through life, but you have decided to remain a dead head without conscience pandering to the ‘love of money’ and the making of endless excuses for psychopathic behavior of corporate opportunism championed by WalMart.

As you approach Thanksgiving RDS, remember that your rejection of Almighty God and salvation through Jesus Christ alone is what makes your experience so empty and your life filled with that nervous fear that you must answer for all the lies you’ve told.

SDV: Here’s an article that you will find of consummate interest,IMHO. Katherine Yurica has done exemplary work in her Yurica reports. This one deals with the stealth and deception from right wing entities and their Machiavellian methods. [I didn’t know Rushdoony was Oliver North’s father-in-law,btw.]Please read this when you have time,and thanks for the kind words. Hope you had a day of peace and plenty.~~~~~~~~~Conquering by Stealth and DeceptionSep 14, 2004 ... (North’s father-in-law, the founder of the Christian Reconstructionist and Dominionist movement), Lt. Col. Oliver North, Pat Robertson, ...
www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm - 39k - Cached - Similar pages

The Socially Deranged Venereal Disease (SDV) still has diarrhea flowing freely out his mouth. Its unfortunate the California fires werent “cleansing” enough!

The Socially Deranged Venereal Disease (SDV) still has diarrhea flowing freely out his mouth.

...not to mention constipation of the brain!

SDV,

“remember that your rejection of Almighty God and salvation through Jesus Christ”

So, now if someone shops at Wal-Mart, they reject the Almighty God and Jesus Christ, right?  I didn’t notice that the last time I read the Bible!!

“is what makes your experience so empty and your life filled with that nervous fear that you must answer for all the lies you’ve told.”

First, my life is NOT an empty experience, like I have said, I have a wonderful wife, a great daughter, and 3 wonderful grandchildren to fill my life with joy!! Second, as for being filled with nervous fear, I have nothing to fear, because I have told NO lies, but, YOU on the other hand, have a lot to worry about, by how many Commandments you have broken and continue to break!!  You will be the one that will have to answer for your being a FAKE Christian!!

Walmartsycophantpsychophobia- The strange, obsessive and abnormal fear of WalMart being disliked by others.

RDS is not the first diagnosed with this mental disorder, however the etymology department may want to add this to the DSM.

WalMart- We hire internet trolls, frauds and propagandists.

I need more Chinese crap from the Church of Walmart for storage in my garage. Is there a AA like meeting for this addiction other than bankruptcy court?

Bubba: You can change your ways. Go to Costco, which is union-friendly. They also sell 100% American goods. No Chinese crap there.

WalMartphobicpsycopath - One who fears and hates Wal-Mart, to the point they feel the need to ‘spin’ everything about Wal-Mart, towards a ‘negative’ point of view!!

SDV, has this condition and thinks the cure, is to brag up Costco and use religion to try to make his ‘negative’ points!!

Most normal people, would just choose to either shop at Wal-Mart or not shop there and either work there or not work there, but, WalMartphobic people like SDV, feel the need to ‘teach’ others to be as ‘phobic’ as they are!!  I suggest he join a group like WMHA (Wal-Mart Haters Anonymous) to try to break this addiction of hatred for a ‘big box’ STORE!!

BTW:  I have never said that I have a “strange, obsessive and abnormal fear of WalMart being disliked by others”, in fact I have stated the opposite, I could care less if you LIKE or DISLIKE Wal-Mart, shop anywhere you please, just don’t try to tell me where to shop!!  Also, I have admitted that I shop at many different stores, not just Wal-Mart!!  Therefore, SDV’s diagnosis of me, is as false as his supposed religious beliefs!!

Source: New York Daily News

A worker died after being trampled and a woman miscarried when hundreds of shoppers smashed through the doors of a Long Island Wal-Mart Friday morning, witnesses said.

The unidentified worker, employed as an overnight stock clerk, tried to hold back the unruly crowds just after the Valley Stream store opened at 5 a.m.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/11/28/2008-11-…

November 28, 2008
Two dead in Black Friday stampede at Wal-Mart
Thomas Lifson
It sounds like an article from the Onion, but it’s not. A surging crowd of bargain hunters at a Wal-Mart in Long Island trampled to death a store worker, and caused a miscarriage in a pregnant woman shopper, as they trampled human beings rushing into the store. Joe Gould of the New York Daily News reports:

The unidentified worker, employed as an overnight stock clerk, tried to hold back the unruly crowds just after the Valley Stream store opened at 5 a.m.

Witnesses said the surging throngs of shoppers knocked the man down. He fell and was stepped on. As he gasped for air, shoppers ran over and around him.

“He was bum-rushed by 200 people,” said Jimmy Overby, 43, a co-worker. “They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too...I literally had to fight people off my back.”

A pregnant shopper was also knocked down and lost her baby.

Mobs are dangerous entities. Even the slightest provocation (like a savings of $20 on a television) can unleash brutality when individuals lose their individuality and surrender to the impulses of a mob.

This is no joke. I expect that lawyers are already readying suits against Wal-Mart. Perhaps strict crowd control measures must be employed whenever super bargains are on offer. This lust for bargains is one element of then holiday season I can do without. Don’t get me wrong: I love a bargain. But no bargain is worth this carnage. I wonder how much enjoyment the purchasers of those flat screen TVs are going to get, knowing two people died in their rush to purchase?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/two_dead_in_black_friday_stamp.html

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“WalMartphobicpsycopath - One who fears and hates Wal-Mart, to the point they feel the need to ‘spin’ everything about Wal-Mart, towards a ‘negative’ point of view!!

SDV, has this condition and thinks the cure, is to brag up Costco and use religion to try to make his ‘negative’ points!!”
RDS the Christhating WalMart internet stooge

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“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
1 Timothy 6:10

WalMart- Who gives a shit.

SDV: Where were the security gurds? You know,the ones who tackle “suspected” shoplifters?

ddrb,

They were busy rolling a couple of “Always Low Prices” fat doobies over at the Ayn Rand house of selfishness next door to the RDS mobile home of moral relativism.

WalMart- Save More. Get Killed.

Yes, SDV and dd, this stampede is Wal-Mart’s fault. Morons.

P.S. Since when do Wal-Mart haters consider unborn babies to be people? I could have sworn that this very site frequently asserts that the company tries to impose its morals on women by denying them their “right to choose”.

WalMart- We hire internet trolls, frauds and propagandists.

Your lack of conscience Someone about the WalMart mentality and dead head culture they have created was already noted above…

Walmartsycophantpsychophobia- The strange, obsessive and abnormal fear of WalMart being disliked by others.

RDS is not the first diagnosed with this mental disorder, however the etymology department may want to add this to the DSM.

WalMart- Save More. Live Better. Get killed, courtesy of the ‘love of money’ mentality generated and brought to you by WalMart’s Bentonville psychopaths.

Right to choose imposes the decision upon a woman, her body, and her conscience. The choice is between she and her God. Not she and her government. Or her pharmacy. You’re trying to change the subject .You can spin it,but you won’t win it, not this time. Not providing proper security for the anticipated throng of bargain shoppers- that’s a WalMart issue .Had appropriate measures of security been put in place and enforced at these holiday sales, the mortality rates would be lower at WalMarts.This is not the first incident.I dare say,it won’t be the last. Odd how there’s security to protect WalMart for loss from shoplfting-where they may LOSE revenue.But no security for shoppers,when WalMart can MAKE revenue.

Not changing the subject. That’s your side’s specialty. You can’t even stay on topic on your own site.

I was merely pointing out that an anti-Wal-Marter who argued as you do on that issue cannot say that two people were killed unless a person is now defined by whether or not someone wants them to be alive. This then raises serious questions about the anti-Wal-Mart mentality.

Back to crowd control. Had there been crowd control, I would be reading about how that was wrong for some reason or another. Wal-Mart can’t win with delusional people like you.

For the record, I’ve toured numerous stores this morning. They were crowded to the point of unpleasantness, but no one was being hurt. Security seemed pretty good.

So the dead WalMart employee and the dead, unborn child do not constitute as being killed unless someone wanted them to still be alive. WTF?

@ddrb: “SDV: Where were the security gurds? You know,the ones who tackle “suspected” shoplifters? “

Suspected? Oh… “Um errr. I was just storing that watch in my pocket before I could go to the checkout”

Talk about being a narrow minded imbecile, Someone has the moral aneurysm to suggest that anti-WalMart interest are not also be pro-life interest.

WalMart- Basically we are an abortion to the American economy. We are burning down your economic house in the United States to make a few bucks.

SDV and dd, I’m just stating what I’ve read on this site. Is it not an authority on the anti-Wal-Mart position? I know it’s full of lies, but I thought that was just par for the course here.

The more obvious explanation Someone is that you are just plain stupid while suffering from Walmartsycophantpsychophobia- The strange, obsessive and abnormal fear of WalMart being disliked by others.

WalMart- The America we envision is one of universal poverty.

So am I stupid or mentally ill, my faux-Christian friend?

“A reproof entereth more into a wise man than a hundred stripes into a fool.” Proverbs 17: 10

Someone, like RDS you are just a fool.

“Stop judging, so that you won’t be judged, because the way that you judge others will be the way that you will be judged, and you will be evaluated by the standard with which you evaluate others.

“Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when the beam is in your own eye? You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

Matthew 7:1-5

Perhaps you should reread the Bible before you continue spreading your hypocrisy here.

And don’t exercise good judgment about others at all or their lies, propaganda and anti-Christ attitudes on behalf of the ‘love of money’.

WalMart- We hire internet trolls, frauds and moral relativists...like Someone.

After WalMart killed Stacy Driver they paid off his family for $750,000.

“Stop judging, so that you won’t be judged, because the way that you judge others will be the way that you will be judged, and you will be evaluated by the standard with which you evaluate others.

“Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when the beam is in your own eye? You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

Matthew 7:1-5

Perhaps you should reread the Bible before you continue spreading your hypocrisy here.

Someone in USA
Friday, November 28 at 03:30 PM

WalMart Asset Protection- Let’s go beat the crap out of some petty theft suspects!!

Stop judging, so that you won’t be judged, because the way that you judge others will be the way that you will be judged, and you will be evaluated by the standard with which you evaluate others.

“Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when the beam is in your own eye? You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

Matthew 7:1-5

Perhaps you should reread the Bible before you continue spreading your hypocrisy here.

Someone in USA
Friday, November 28 at 03:30 PM~~~~~~~~~~NOTE: Someone,how do you reconcile that with the pattern of intendely personal insults,slander and intentional lies you and your alternate self bb have leveled against me for a year now?Remember,bbrd links to your site.

While you are busy singing songs of praise from your WalMart Hymnal…

Ladies and Gentlemen, it’s SanDiegoView...part deaux!

...its people like myself, ddrb, Ken V, Bobby and a few others…

In a single sentence, Mr. Screwed managed to discredit himself.  Nice!

...WalMart, the George W. Bush Administration, and now Wall Street, which collectively have conspired…

Now, it’s a conspiracy!  Will wonders never cease?

I was wondering how you people were going to do the “12 degrees of Wal-Mart” thing as it related to Wall Street’s recent recklessness.  Way to go!

Yes, for me the new term is “casino capitalism.”

This is the only thing I may agree with you on, Mr. Screwed—however, to tie it all in to Wal-Mart (which, like ‘em or not, is actually a pretty well-run company) is just plain neurotic.

Time to take your meds.

bbrd in
Wednesday, October 01 at 09:00 AM~~~~~~~NOTE: This entry is from a thread entitled,"WalMart Downsizes in Japan”,September 29,2008,from the WMW archives. The link is operative on the archived site .When you click on the name bbrd,it links to Watching WalMart-Someone in USA site.

SDV: Re:As to the queery above”,is it stupidity or mental illness?” The themes of spreading,judging,unborn children sounded very familiar tone ....To wit:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"JM-

You might not of heard of this, but I hear these things called condoms are also helpful.  I also suggested that she not lie on her back in the first place.  Plenty of options available.

IRONHEAD-

Barring a husband’s death, there are few excuses for being a single mother.  ANY other outcome is a choice.  No one MAKES HER HAVE and KEEP the child IF she is NOT married, and, generally, a woman should be able to JUDGE the character of a partner before spreading her legs.  Is that so hard to understand? 

Then we go back to what Richard said: Wal-Mart pays a fair wage based on the market for employees with the necessary qualifications.  They do this for everyone.  They don’t cheat single mothers, nor do they give them special treatment.  It’s actually quite fortunate jobs like Wal-Mart exist to help women with children and no skills. “ Someone in USA
Tuesday, August 29,2006 at 09:38 AM~~~~~~Note: Well,SDV, what’s the diagnosis?

Someone,how do you reconcile that with the pattern of intendely personal insults,slander and intentional lies you and your alternate self bb have leveled against me for a year now?Remember,bbrd links to your site.

So, you truly are one of those who believes everything they read on the ‘net…

As for your weak allegations, I truly don’t believe “my alternate self” Someone and I are the only people out there who have a few issues with you.

I complained to the Pennsylvania AG about Wal-Mart overcharging for strawberries.  I got a ten dollar gift certificate from Wal-Mart but never used it. 

As far as I know, the Attorney General didn’t take any action against Wal-Mart other than asking the store about it, and they had an employee report that I was the only person overcharged (I don’t believe it as it’s impossible to remember that kind of thing months later).  But they are seriously under staffing their stores.  I’ve shopped there for 25 years since where I lived in the South before I moved to PA required that I shop there because they put all the other stores out of business in a few years.

Personally I think the under staffing is probably responsible for the death of the man in Long Island today.

And if there are any consumers out there in PA, write to the Attorney General or vote for a Democratic AG, who will do something about the Wal-Mart overcharging problem.  I think it’s systemic.  I’ve largely quit going there since waiting in line at the checkout is like my teacher in seventh grade used to describe what life was like in the Soviet Union.  You might wait 30 minutes or more just to check out and there are never enough check out people.  Wegmans and Target right down the street have plenty of checkout personnel. 

I wish the PA Attorney General was more consumer friendly and didn’t use all his time pursuing political vendettas against the opposite party right before an election when his own party was engaged in the same shenanigans.  Consumers need relief from corporate malfeasors, although corruption in government does seem to be a problem here in PA, much more so than I remember from SC.

Way to go ddrb

bbrd was hoping nobody would remember that he and Someone in USA are actually one in the same.  He was hoping it would all fade deep into the Walmartwatch archives, never to be seen by newer posters to this website.

He’s got some nerve to accuse you and SDV of being “frauds” and such.  bbrd/Someone in USA is the REAL fraud.  Notice how he’s taken up the blogging style of SDV in his last post?

Hey Someone/bbrd… I’ll make the same request I made of RDS earlier today.  Do you suppose you can use all that influence or pull you’ve got with Wal-Mart and get the store manager and assistant manager to post their names behind the customer service counter at the Wal-Mart store I popped in on today?  Either that, or get them to take down the message that says “Customer service is our priority.”

You guys think you are pretty clever with your “detective” work. If you only knew.

SDV,

“This is no joke. I expect that lawyers are already readying suits against Wal-Mart. Perhaps strict crowd control measures must be employed whenever super bargains are on offer.”

How many stores does Wal-Mart have across the country and somehow an incident at 1 (ONE) store, has become a Wal-Mart problem!!  I think this says MORE about the PEOPLE of New York, than a problem with Wal-Mart!!  Also, these same types of sales occured at thousands of other stores (Target, K-Mart, etc.) across the country and were there similar incidents, NO!!  Do those other stores have ‘better’ security than Wal-Mart?  If so, I haven’t seen them!!  Sure there will be lawsuits, because Wal-Mart has ‘deep pockets’, not because they were at fault!!

“And don’t exercise good judgment about others at all or their lies”

Lies? How about these:

“WalMart- Save More. Live Better. Get killed,” ~ SDV

“WalMart killed Stacy Driver” ~ SDV

“WalMart Asset Protection- Let’s go beat the crap out of some petty theft suspects!!” ~ SDV

“WalMart- We hire internet trolls, frauds and moral relativists...like Someone.” ~ SDV

Now, you KNOW none of these statements are TRUE, yet, you keep repeating them as if they were!!  You can lie to yourself and you can try to lie to us, but, you can’t fool ‘the man upstairs’ with your lies, he sees your motives!!

““For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
1 Timothy 6:10”

When you talk about how the Waltons have so much money and then say they should give it away to people like YOU, isn’t that ‘coveting’ someone else’s money (that which is thy neighbors)?  Doesn’t that mean that YOU ‘have erred from the faith’ and doesn’t that make YOU a FAKE Christian?  Spouting Bible passages, doesn’t make one a Christian, following them does!!

Who is going to be arrested in that pathetic trampling in the new your state death???? who is going to go to prison for life for this rediculus waste of life??????  You moron shoppers are the most greedy idiots on earth!!!  I think the lot of you idiots should be lined up and shot at dawn…

...an incident at 1 (ONE) store, has become a Wal-Mart problem!!

This is just the first time customers have killed an associate. Normally it’s the other way around. Paybacks are Hell.

Here’s an update:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_death (copy & paste into your address bar)

Wal-Mart Stores Inc., based in Bentonville, Ark., called the incident a “tragic situation” and said the employee came from a temporary agency and was doing maintenance work at the store.

Sounds like Wal-Mart is throwing Jdimytai Damour under the bus.

Who says consumerism has gotten out of hand?

What’s good for Wal-Mart is BAD for America!

“After WalMart killed Stacy Driver they paid off his family for $750,000. “

WalMart did not force Drive to abuse illegal drugs. This was Driver’s decision alone.

@rds: “When you talk about how the Waltons have so much money and then say they should give it away to people like YOU”

The people that do that are greedy busybodies, plain and simple. They have no right to get all green with envy and get obsessed with the Walton family’s fortune. When they do so, they look like such hypocrites.

I bet every one of those who bash the Walton family for supposedly hoarding their money also has some of their own money they could give to charity, but they are holding onto it. (As if the Walton family’s money is any business of anyone except for the Walton family).

So, next time someone here bashes the Walton family for their money, ask them exactly how much they gave to charity?

I don’t know whether to classify people like ddrb and SanDiegoView as hypocrites, liars or just plain stupid.  It’s hard to tell after reading these posts.

1.  Only 1 person died in the Walmart incident yesterday morning, not 2.  The pregnant lady did not lose her baby.  But it took 2 seperate posts filled with lies from SanDiegoView and ddrb to make people think other wise.  But maybe the 2 of them were just too stupid and blinded by their hatred for Walmart to not investigate more before posting their lies.

2.  It boggles my mind that if this young woman, if she had lost her baby to a miscarrage, this would be defined as “killed” yet if the very same mother had decided on her own to have an abortion that somehow that is ok because that “choice is between she and her God”.  What wacko logic!!!!!  Dead is dead, killed is killed no matter how you cut it.  That is hypocrisy at it’s best.

3.  In your blind hatred for Walmart you failed to mention the gunfight and 2 men killed in the Toys-R-Us in California on Black Friday.  Where are you calls for security in that store?

Crime is crime and no one or one store is immune to it.  But to vilify just Walmart is just plain disingenuous.  Why should anyone take seriously what the 2 of you say?  You certainly haven’t shown any wisdom or truth.

To be fair, Mark, at the time of those posts it was still being reported that she had miscarried.

Agree with everything else. I wonder if that’s because I am you. ;)

Omaha Steve (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-28-08 09:29 PM
Original message
Union Responds To Death of Long Island Wal-mart Worker Edited on Fri Nov-28-08 10:23 PM by Omaha Steve
Source: readMedia Newswire

Demands Federal Safety Agency and Nassau County Prosecutor Investigate

QUEENS VILLAGE, NY (readMedia)-- United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1500, New York State’s largest grocery workers Union, has called for an immediate investigation by Federal, State and Local authorities into the “avoidable” death of a Wal-mart worker at the Valley Stream, Long Island Wal-mart. Specifically, the Union has called on the Federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the New York State Department of Labor and the Nassau County Prosecutor to investigate Wal-mart’s failure to provide a safe workplace.

“This incident was avoidable,” said Bruce Both, President of United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1500. “Where were the safety barriers? Where was security? How did store management not see dangerous numbers of customers barreling down on the store in such an unsafe manner?” asked President Both. “This is not just tragic; it rises to a level of blatant irresponsibility by Wal-mart. UFCW Local 1500 will demand a full investigation by all levels of Government to ensure both justice for the surviving family members and to ensure the safety of current employees and the general public. This can never be allowed to happen again and those responsible must be held accountable,” Both concluded.

Director of Special Projects for Local 1500 Patrick Purcell called Wal-mart’s comments in response to the incident both “cold and heartless.” “If the safety of their customers and workers was a top priority, then this never would have happened,” Purcell stated. “Wal-mart must step up to the plate and ensure that all those injured, as well as the family of the deceased, be financially compensated for their injuries and their losses. Their words are weak. The community demands action,” Purcell concluded.

Read more: http://readme.readmedia.com/news/show/Union-Responds-To… ~read media via Democratic Underground~~~~~~~NOTE: This trampling death has received thousands of comments on various websites such as Crooks and Liars, DU, and Huffington Post-which has almost 2,000 comments on their site alone, as of this AM. The consensus seems to be the same sentiment ,that this trampling was a forseeable event,as this has happened at WalMart before.So a precedent had been set as to what could reasonably expected to occur.Ergo, get crowd control measures and security in place BEFORE opening the doors.

Update: It is now reported that the Nassau County Police Dept. of Long Island is reviewing the WalMart tapes in an effort to identify some of the customers who trampled the associate to death.Huff Po has a NEW thread on this,with much more current details.The comments are pouring in .

You’re a little late, my dear. That story has been floating around most of the morning. The shoppers who did it deserve to be prosecuted for murder as well as vandalism. If only we still lived in a country where people were accountable for their own actions.

If only we still lived in a country where corporations were accountable for their own actions.

Okay, I have to throw in my two cents here.

1. Democracy has to take into account minorities that would be effected by decisions that are made - otherwise it is not democracy it is mob rule.  Your feelings about homosexuality are irrelevant.  Should we vote on whether everyone with red hair is allowed to vote?  That isn’t democracy it’s two wolves and a sheep discussing what to have for dinner.
2. So many of these false Christians annoy the crap out of me - you are completely missing the point (like people of every other religion).  Your mentality is no different than a crazed suicide bomber.  If people would actually follow the moral teachings of their religions than the world would be a whole lot better place but instead people decide to be self-righteous hypocrites that use religion to divide and condemn people and spread ignorant ideas.
3. America is NOT a theocracy and it is neutral when it comes to religion (it is not for or against any one religion).  Some religions allow gay marriage and some don’t (and some people are not religious at all).  When people start trying to marry children or animals or objects or anything like that THEN you can react like this.  If you feel that homosexuality is a sin than that is between that person and God.  Christianity teaches that NO ONE is perfect and that EVERYONE sins.  Ever had premarital sex?  Do you follow the over 600 commandments in the Old Testament?  You people are ridiculous.  Get off of your counterfeit high-horses.  Have whatever opinion or belief that you want but respect other people’s freedoms and stop trying to force your narrow-minded view of the world on other people.

Onto the black friday thing (or “blitz” as Wal-Mart calls it).  I’m sorry but I’m going to have to agree with Someone from “home office” on this one.  This person was murdered by the selfish, greedy, animalistic behavior of the people rushing into the store.  Maybe Wal-Mart should have handled it differently but I don’t think that you can blame them for it.  I had to work Thanksgiving night (I work third shift) and we are open 24 hours so we had people camping out in our store and forming a line.  However, eventually it became RIDICULOUS.  I have NEVER seen anything like it.  I was getting claustrophobic.  You couldn’t even move in there.  I saw the ugly side of human nature in there.  Everyone was only out for themselves and were snatching up merchandise like it was bars of gold.  I would literally get four or five people trying to get my attention and help at the same time (even if they knew that I was trying to help someone else).  When they first announced that people could start loading up their carts it sounded like a stampede.  Me and my friend that I work with had to literally BACK UP into the aisle.  I’m not used to dealing with people too much as I work the graveyard shift and this was horrible.  I’m not the biggest fan of Wal-Mart but this person’s death was caused by the greedy, selfish behavior of the people rushing into the store - period.  It could have happened anywhere.

Generic: This crowd was congregating on WalMart property, to buy WalMart goods. WalMart is responsible for the behavior they allowed to transpire on their property.Surely there is city code that defines what inciting a riot consists of. Business permits can be nullified for failin to control what goes on at your place of business.  Remember the fire in the nightclub in Long Island years ago? The club owners were found civilly liable. This was a forseeable event,fomented by WalMart’s advertsing machinations. WalMart failed to do its duty to the citizens of the community,and its shoppers by not employing crowd control measures in advance. A union in all probabilty would not have alwed its members to be unduly exposed to forseeable ,out of control shoppers.That’s my two MORE cents.

Like I said, Wal-Mart could have handled it differently (and SHOULD have handled it differently) but their control over this is limited.  At the end of the day it was a bunch of people that didn’t give a crap about their fellow human beings and thought that buying a cheap HDTV or $8.00 pants were more important than this person’s life.  I firmly believe in the right to form a union but no union could have controlled these people’s actions.  Normally I’m a fellow traveler with your viewpoint but when you say things like this you lose credibility.  This was just a case of people having the wrong priorities and the consequences of this.  Trust me, I was there, and even though nothing like this happened at my store I can easily see how it could have happened.  I think that it’s doing a disservice to this person to distort what actually happened and to exploit their death for an ulterior motive.  We both know that there is LOT to criticize Wal-Mart over but in this case I feel that it’s inappropriate.  Let’s let Wal-Mart condemn themselves and not resort to cheap tactics that dishonor someone’s memory and life.

@ddrb: “Generic: This crowd was congregating on WalMart property, to buy WalMart goods. WalMart is responsible for the behavior they allowed to transpire on their property.”

Only in a world where people lie in court and win frivolous lawsuits. But when it comes to actual blame (outside of the manipulations of lying attorneys), Walmart is only responsible for things that they actually do;.

The frivolous lawsuit business has to stop. Next thing you know, someone is going to spill hot coffee on their lap and win a frivolous lawsuit against an uninvolved party. Preposterous? It might happen.

from news story: “United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1500, New York State’s largest grocery workers Union, has called for an immediate investigation by Federal, State and Local authorities into the “avoidable” death of a Wal-mart worker at the Valley Stream”

I assume that none of New York’s Walmarts are unionized. If this is true, why is the union wasting time and money on workers that aren’t even in the union?

Has Local 1500 actually run out of causes and issues related to its own members, so it can waste effort like this? This grandstanding shows that the union is either ignoring its own members, or is awash in so much dues money that they can afford to do this kind of thing. Either way, maybe some of the union members should “opt out” of paying dues that are being wasted on political grandstanding that has nothing to do with the membership.

I dont have any idea just what “reality” in which “realist “exists.I suspect in the netherworld of the Bentonville BatCave Blogodrome...where there exists an inverse,perverse reflection of reality.

OMG! Generic and I actually agree on something!

THE WALMARTIZATION OF AMERICA AND THE WALMART STAMPEDE OF 2008

So far the pro-WalMart propaganda effort has sought to only blame the people who came to WalMart at the Long Island store for this stampede or the death and injuries that occured. The interest is to claim that neither WalMart advertising, influence, the WalMart business model at large and WalMart crime magnet history or even really WalMart had anything to do with having creating a frenzy of greed developed from WalMart’s entire cut throat retail attitude.

Now comes the public relations effort to group dissimilar criminal activity together to dilute what WalMart is responsible for in the public eye. The pro-WalMart trolls want a shooting at Toys R Us to be seen with the same measurement as a stampede at WalMart. Toys R Us did not cause a gang related shooting in their Desert Palm store. WalMart did create conditions and evaded a duty of care to protect their employees and the public in and from a foreseeable event that WalMart itself claims they prepared for with extra personnel etc. It simply wasn’t sifficient to equal the frenzy of greed that WalMart cultivated and sought to gain from with another type of drug...the ‘love of money’ where their customers were already punch bowl drunk on ‘door busting’ indifference to what injuries will happen to others. It fits perfectly with the ‘vitues of selfishness’ philosophy that Walmart is all about at the expense of others.

The Christian effort to develop Christlike character in people and the caring interest in others in ‘love one another’ has been countermanded by WalMart and their vicious ‘love of money’ indifference to others as evidenced in this event and what WalMart is all about. This is what drinking the WalMart Kool-Aid will do to you personally and the American culture under a Bushco/WalMart distressed economy.

These are WalMart shoppers at a WalMart store who killed a WalMart (temp) employee and injured other WalMart employees due to WalMart business practices creating a WalMart stampede that put the public at risk at WalMart.

You can’t yell ‘fire!!’ in a crowded movie theater because of the consequences and therefore it is illegal...but WalMart has been allowed to yell ‘fire sale!!’ and seek to evade any responsibility for their part in this stampede.

WalMart Stampede of 2008- Making America’s Thanksgiving more enjoyable.

ddrb, you are right again on the incitement to riot view-

For Federal property the concept of incitement to riot reads like this…

INCITE A RIOT - Urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts. 18 USC

The New York code…
====================================

§ 240.08 Inciting to riot.
A person is guilty of inciting to riot when he urges ten or more
persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to
create public alarm.
Inciting to riot is a class A misdemeanor.

§ 240.05 Riot in the second degree.
A person is guilty of riot in the second degree when, simultaneously
with four or more other persons, he engages in tumultuous and violent
conduct and thereby intentionally or recklessly causes or creates a
grave risk of causing public alarm.
Riot in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

§ 240.45 Criminal nuisance in the second degree.
A person is guilty of criminal nuisance in the second degree when:
1.  By conduct either unlawful in itself or unreasonable under all the
circumstances, he knowingly or recklessly creates or maintains a
condition which endangers the safety or health of a considerable number
of persons; or
2. He knowingly conducts or maintains any premises, place or resort
where persons gather for purposes of engaging in unlawful conduct.
Criminal nuisance in the second degree is a class B misdemeanor.

§ 240.46 Criminal nuisance in the first degree.
A person is guilty of criminal nuisance in the first degree when he
knowingly conducts or maintains any premises, place or resort where
persons come or gather for purposes of engaging in the unlawful sale of
controlled substances in violation of section 220.39, 220.41, or 220.43
of this chapter, and thereby derives the benefit from such unlawful
conduct.
Criminal nuisance in the first degree is a class E felony.
==================================

...perhaps should be updated to read as follows…

It shall be illegal to use ‘any means’ to incite a riot wherein persons are injured or killed.

Careful public announcement should make known to retailers, stadium managers, club managers, bar owners etc etc that you venture upon felony behavior to create and allow conditions to arise that in effect incite a riot.

Excerpted item on furthering the legal concept of liability-

See: Foreseeability

The most common test of proximate cause is foreseeability. It determines if the harm resulting from an action was reasonably able to be predicted. The test is used in most cases only in respect to the type of harm. It is foreseeable that throwing a baseball at someone could cause them a blunt-force injury. But proximate cause is still met if a thrown baseball misses the target and knocks a heavy object off a shelf behind them, which causes a blunt-force injury.
This is also known as the “extraordinary in hindsight” rule.

WalMart is already laying the ground work for its defense. From the company’s website:

“Last Updated: Friday, November 28, 2008
UPDATED - Walmart Statement on Black Friday Incident at Valley Stream Store
We expected a large crowd this morning and added additional internal security, additional third party security, additional store associates and we worked closely with the Nassau County Police. We also erected barricades. Despite all of our precautions, this unfortunate event occurred.

“Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the deceased. We are continuing to work closely with local law enforcement and we are reaching out to those involved.”

- Hank Mullany, Senior Vice President and President, Northeast Division, Walmart U.S.”

OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AT WALMART HAS COME UNDER STUDY BEFORE

WalMart has not been an uncommon place of criminal occurance. Local police resources and expenditures are needed to handle more criminal activity at WalMart stores. We have been through the complaints and problems, budget reallocations and personnel reassignments faced by local law enforcement when WalMart stores are open in their communities.

Wal-Mart crime magnet, foes say
By Frank Lombardi - The New York Daily News
May 9, 2006
Foes of Wal-Mart turned up the heat yesterday in their campaign to keep the giant retailer out of the city by charging that its stores are “a magnet for crime.” They cited a nationwide study analyzing police crime reports during 2004 involving 551 randomly selected Wal-Mart stores in 434 cities in 30 states.

The surveyed stores generated 148,331 calls for police service, or an average of 269 police incidents per store. And 2,909 of those calls were for violent or serious crimes, the report said.

“Once again, we have evidence that Wal-Mart is not a good citizen in the communities where it exists,” said Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum at a City Hall press conference with Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-Brooklyn, Queens) and Stuart Appelbaum, president of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union. “This is why we have to keep them out of New York City.”

Appelbaum said the survey demonstrates that Wal-Mart stints on security measures and parking lot patrols.

“Wal-Mart must invest in adequate security and public safety measures, and stop being a magnet for crime in our communities,” he said.

Based on the survey, the report estimates that Wal-Mart’s national chain of more than 3,857 stores generated 1 million police responses in 2004, at a cost of $77 million to taxpayers.

The survey conducted by WakeUpWalMart.com is the latest salvo fired in a propaganda war between the retail chain and an alliance of unions, community organizations, business associations, elected officials and other groups.

Responding to the press conference, Wal-Mart representative Mia Masten said, “Another week, another protest - organized by a union that is struggling to survive and supported by elected officials who claim they care about the city’s working class.”

Weiner stressed that Wal-Mart is determined to make inroads in urban areas, including New York City.

Last year, a developer dropped Wal-Mart from a planned shopping mall in Rego Park, Queens, because of strong opposition from City Council officials. And Wal-Mart’s pursuit of two possible sites on Staten Island appears to be in limbo.

“No sales or leases have occurred,” according to City Councilman Michael McMahon (D-S.I.), who was not involved in the City Hall press conference.

http://wakeupwalmart.com/news/20060509-nydn.html

ddrb,

It is obvious that Someone/bbrd is the same desperado/imbecile. Your note of this trollism adds to the definition of Walmartsycophantpsychophobia- The strange, obsessive and abnormal fear of WalMart being disliked by others.

dbrd: Any twist of logic to blame the people who did nothing wrong, right? It has nothing to do with Walmart “batcaves”. There is a major problem with frivolous lawsuits against blameless individuals and companies in all sectors of society.

Unless someone can find evidence that Walmart asked people to stampede or riot, there is not the ghost of blame with them at all. I repeat: how can someone be guilty of something when they didn’t do anything?

You should do some research on this. Maybe stay up all night and search for some information. Here’s a cup of coffee to help you stay awake. Ooops. I’d better not give that to you. If you spill it on yourself, you might sue me.

“Unless someone can find evidence that Walmart asked people to stampede or riot, there is not the ghost of blame with them at all. I repeat: how can someone be guilty of something when they didn’t do anything?”
realist the WalMart troll/imbecile

These are WalMart shoppers at a WalMart store who killed a WalMart (temp) employee and injured other WalMart employees due to WalMart business practices creating a WalMart stampede that put the public at risk at WalMart.

WalMart itself claims they prepared for this ‘event’ with extra personnel etc. It simply wasn’t sufficient to equal the frenzy of greed that WalMart cultivated and sought to gain from with another type of drug...the ‘love of money’ where their customers were already punch bowl drunk on ‘door busting’ indifference to what injuries will happen to others. It fits perfectly with the ‘virtues of selfishness’ philosophy that WalMart is all about at the expense of others.

Pro-WalMart propaganda frauds will try desperately to lead people to believe that WalMart had nothing to do with a stampede that occurred at one of their stores.

Here’s my two cents:

Let’s for a minute, change the venue of this incident, to say a football stadium!!  If a stampede of people ran out onto the field and someone got trampled to death, would anyone say it was the stadium owner’s fault, because the people were urged to come to the game?  People are expected to act like ‘human beings’, not a bunch of wild animals!!  You can bet, that if a bunch of people at a football game started a fight, those people would be arrested, not the stadium owners, same applies here!! 

And, as for the posts above, all of them are from people with ‘reasonable’ intelligence, except of course, ddrb, SDV and Ken V., who are ALWAYS ready to find anything they can, to blame Wal-Mart for the ills of the world!! 

And, ‘bravo’ to Generic, for seeing the ‘reality’ of the situation, that most of the other anti people are ‘blind’ to because of their hatred!!

SDV: These “defenses” presented remind me of the explanation of the meaning of “Chutzpah” I once heard.So the story goes, that’s like when a son kills his mother and father, then throws himself on the court ,asking for mercy because he’s an orphan.Its outrageous ,ofcourse , but chutzpah always is. It defies hhe boundaries of sanity,logic, and acceptibility.

RDS: You are the one who chooses to blind yourself to the reality of just how many people share the views expressed by myself,Ken,and SDV. Go to Huffington Post and read the couple thousand posts of what others think of this incident,and WalMart in general. Expand your horizons.

@SDV: “These are WalMart shoppers at a WalMart store who killed a WalMart (temp) employee and injured other WalMart employees due to WalMart business practices creating a WalMart stampede that put the public at risk at WalMart. “

Actually, there is no evidence yet that Walmart did anything at all to create a stampede.

@SDV: “Pro-WalMart propaganda frauds will try desperately to lead people to believe that WalMart had nothing to do with a stampede that occurred at one of their stores. “

It has nothing to do with being pro- or anti- Walmart. If you insist on blaming people who had nothing to do with things, what next? Blame Walmart for its shoplifters too?

@SDV: “....greed ...type of drug......virtues of selfishness.... philosophy that WalMart is all about at the expense of others. “

Now you are babbling with odd analogies and sweeping generalizations that have nothing to do with anything.

My “is walmart to blame for its shoplifters” comparison fits even more. Shoplifters are greedy, so are stampeders. Walmart does nothing to encourage this selfishness or greed.

How can any company be responsible for every bad thought of every person who ever comes into its doors?

As for type of drugs, do you have evidence that the stampeders were trying to get to the pharmacy/

“realist”: How is it that you speak with such” authority” as to what evidnece points to WalMart’s lack of culpability? Are you part of the investigation team? Yesterday you were announcing,with emphasis,WalMart had no culpability whatsoeve;now you’re saying there’s no evidence. Upon what authority do you make these declarative statements on behalf of the company?

If you insist on blaming people who had nothing to do with things, what next? Blame Walmart for its shoplifters too? ~~~NOTE: Last time I checked,shoplifters weren’t storming down the doors to BUY things.

Black Friday??? At a Walmart in the States…..’Shop till you drop’ turned into ‘buy till you die’

This kind way of doing business is irresponsible of Walmart.
That company should be held responsible for it’s part of this killing of an employee…Trying to create a zoo like experience by offering a few Door Crasher specials and poor crowd management makes Walmart responsible in my opinion.

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Alex: There has been an autopsy performed on the deceased, and the grieving family has retained legal counsel, according to the NY Daily News,today. The Long Island Police have stated that the security measures were inadequate for the size of the crowd,says the article. It also stated that WalMArt employees had formed a human chain across the doorway entrance. The NY Daily news article is readily online for full details.

@ddrb: “realist”: How is it that you speak with such” authority” as to what evidnece points to WalMart’s lack of culpability?”

Perhaps Walmart did something wrong, but no one has yet pointed out anything. Still no evidence, other than Walmart being the victim (an employee being killed, property damaged) of non-Walmart people. There’s a lack of culpability so far because all of the facts have pointed to customers behaving badly.

@ddrb: “NOTE: Last time I checked,shoplifters weren’t storming down the doors to BUY things. “

You mention this to prove what: if shoplifters did behave like this, then someone other than the shoplifter is to blame??? That’s ridiculous.

You’re ridiculous. Shoplifters don’t stampede to buy goods. Nor do they stampede to shoplift.I’ve never heard of Five Finger Black Friday...yet.. maybe that’s WalMart’s next marketing campaign to reach a new demographic. I wonder how many “WalMart moms” were involved in that trampling death episode?

Shoplifting and stampeding are both bad behavior. Both are the fault of shoplifters and stampeders.

realist,

Talk about being rediculous. get ddrb’s statement: “Five Finger Black Friday...yet.. maybe that’s WalMart’s next marketing campaign to reach a new demographic.”!!

BTW: It has already been stated by these anti people that ‘shoplifting’ IS Wal-Mart’s fault!!  1.) Because Wal-Mart doesn’t pay enough, so, people are ‘forced’ to shoplift, and 2.) Because Wal-Mart doesn’t have good enough ‘security’ to handle ‘shoplifters’, all they know how to do is ‘kill’ shoplifters!!  Makes one wonder what ‘new’ thing they will come up with to blame Wal-Mart for, maybe the ‘tides’ coming in and the phases of the moon, and there’s always the ‘weather’!!

RDS: You have enough trouble keeping your own stories straight. Don’t embarrass yourself,or those here by once again ,repeating intentionally incorrect and misleading information about what others have allegedly said or allegedly mean.

P.S.:And if you’re going to call a person ridiculous,at least spell it correctly.

ddrb,

“You have enough trouble keeping your own stories straight.”

It’s not me that keep the stories correct, it’s you guys!!  Screwedby or Ken, twists what I said around and then you pick up on the twisted story and credit me with saying it!!

“if you’re going to call a person ridiculous,at least spell it correctly.”

So, we’re back to criticizing people about spelling, right?  This from a person who doesn’t know how to use the ‘space bar’, half the time!!

ddrb,

“It’s not me that keep the stories correct, it’s you guys!”

Correction: This should have read, “It’s not me that has trouble keeping the stories straight, it’s you guys”!! 

After all, they are not STORIES, they are experiences from my life!!

RDS:  Thank you.You just made my case for me.You can’t get your own posts or your own statements straight, how could you be expected to correctly convey the content or intent of another’s postings?

How many stores does Wal-Mart have across the country and somehow an incident at 1 (ONE) store, has become a Wal-Mart problem!!

As we all know, WM has thousands of stores across the U.S.—as for the “problem”, that’s only in the eyes of entities like UFCW Local 1500, SVD, and “Google Gal”.  Not once has the mainstream media said “this is Wal-Mart’s fault” in their reports.

I think this says MORE about the PEOPLE of New York, than a problem with Wal-Mart!!

You hit the nail on the head, RDS—think about this for a minute—how many millions of people live in the five boroughs of NYC, as well as nearby Long Island and neighboring counties in New Jersey?

(The number is mind-boggling)

And, how many Wal-Marts are in the most densely populated area in the U.S.?  Obviously, IMO way too few stores for these value-hungry New Yorkers.

Also, these same types of sales occured at thousands of other stores (Target, K-Mart, etc.) across the country and were there similar incidents, NO!!

I shopped at a WM Supercenter and three other stores (the other three were a major department store, a major discounter that competes with WM, and a specialty retailer) from 4:00-6:00 a.m., that morning—for the most part, everything was “average” for a Black Friday at the other three stores (the WM Supercenter was where all the “action” was, that morning).

That’s because according to the ads inserted in last Thursday’s newspaper, WM was obviously offering the customers the things they seemed to want most.

Do those other stores have ‘better’ security than Wal-Mart?  If so, I haven’t seen them!!

When it comes to security, all retailers/shopping malls are pretty much equal—they have limits, because none of these “asset protectors” have been granted police powers by their local communites.

Note:  You mentioned Target—in the past, I have taken notice those guys have uniformed security people on the Target payroll in their stores (not contractor “rent-a-cops"), but, again, they seem to have no “real” police powers.

Sure there will be lawsuits, because Wal-Mart has ‘deep pockets’, not because they were at fault!!

Of course, just like those shoppers at the Long Island WM, you will always have those trying to squeeze money out of WM, just because they can…

RDS:  Thank you.You just made my case for me.You can’t get your own posts or your own statements straight, how could you be expected to correctly convey the content or intent of another’s postings?

RDS gets his message across just fine, which is more than I can say for you, dearheart…

P.S.:And if you’re going to call a person ridiculous,at least spell it correctly.

OK, ddrb, a.k.a. “Google Gal” is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S!

ddrb,

“Thank you.You just made my case for me.You can’t get your own posts or your own statements straight”

What are you talking about, like I said, YOU listen to the twisted postings of others and take them as statements from ME!!  At one point, you thought I said I started driving truck at the age of 9, when I had said I was 19!!  Don’t blame ME for YOUR failure to comprehend what I say!!

“how could you be expected to correctly convey the content or intent of another’s postings?”

When I read someone say ‘state’ and then later, call it an ‘entity’, why would I be wrong to interpret the content of the person’s first statement be considered to mean ‘state’?

Black Friday Death Inspired Legislation
Monday, Dec 1, 2008 @08:14am CST

(New York, NY)—Legislation has been brought to New York City Council meant to stop things from getting out of control during extreme shopping events.

The so-called “Doorbuster Bill” would require malls and large retailers to take appropriate security and crowd control measures during “doorbuster sales.” The proposal comes in response to the death of a 34-year-old Walmart worker who was trampled to death in his Long Island store on Black Friday.

New York City Councilman James Gennaro Under proposed the legislation. It would force stores to hire security personnel trained in crowd control, and retailers would be held responsible for any injuries.~~~~~~~~~~~~

All these complaints about how Walmart makes bad decisions, how people lack spelling checks in their posts and how no one else “gets it” when she can’t even reconcile how she was DUMB enough to buy a home to live in built at the footsteps of a Walmart store.  Talk about in denial and bitter. 

She must wake up every morning and drink her coffee while staring out her window at that big “WALMART” sign and just cringe.  Dissing Walmart is her driving force in life.  It’s sad.

There are many sad things in life attributable to WalMart and its corporate practices.Your apparent pleasure in Ad hominem attacks and dissing me, a private citizen,is an even sadder reflection upon your life....and the comapny you keep...or should I say, the company that “keeps” you.

Your apparent pleasure in Ad hominem attacks and dissing me, a private citizen,is an even sadder reflection upon your life...

You must’ve hit a nerve—keep it going, Vicky :-)

Black Friday Death Inspired Legislation
Monday, Dec 1, 2008 @08:14am CST

(New York, NY)—Legislation has been brought to New York City Council meant to stop things from getting out of control during extreme shopping events.

The so-called “Doorbuster Bill” would require malls and large retailers to take appropriate security and crowd control measures during “doorbuster sales.” The proposal comes in response to the death of a 34-year-old Walmart worker who was trampled to death in his Long Island store on Black Friday.

New York City Councilman James Gennaro Under proposed the legislation. It would force stores to hire security personnel trained in crowd control, and retailers would be held responsible for any injuries.~~~~~~~~~~~~

NOTE: I hope this legislation strikes a chord with th NC Council-and city councils and state lgislatures across the nation in the coming Obama administrtion. This incident has already struck the nerves of the nation and the world. “Corporate personhood “ has allowed companies the privileges of a person,but without personal responsibilty and culpabilty associated with private citizens for unethical and/or criminal behavior. An EXCELLENT site for info on “Corporate Personhood” is Reclaim Democracy.This is specifically designed as a multi venue resource on the interactions between corporations and our society’s dwindling democracy. There is a special section devoted exclusively to WalMart. The materials therein are quite extensive,revealing and rxtremely informative. I HIGHLY recommend it as a first stop reference point and invaluable aid in restoration of a civil society..

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This incident has already struck the nerves of the nation and the world.

Struck the nerves??  Give us a break!

All it made me do was shake my head that people could behave that way (and to have something interesting to discuss at the water cooler, come Monday morning).

In all your incessant ramblings, I am yet to see you address the people of the greater NYC area for behaving like a herd of cattle - hence, killing the store worker.

Where’s your opinions on that?

Introduction
ReclaimDemocracy.org is devoted to restoring citizen authority over corporations, rather than repeatedly fighting harms caused by individual corporations. So why do we compile such a vast collection of information on one company and assist communities resisting its power? Simply because Wal-Mart is perhaps the most visible symptom of the disease—runaway corporate power—that we work to cure, and a magnet for citizens who we hope will go on to address structural problems.

We use Wal-Mart as an entry point for deepening readers’ awareness of systemic problems and—most importantly—pro-active solutions. We selectively archive articles we believe will be of lasting interest, including many that are pro-chain or otherwise oppose our positions. If you seek daily news or commentary on Wal-Mart, see our links page for sites providing that.

Our work related to Wal-Mart includes:
* revoking corporations’ power to override local decision-making authority;
* enforcement of laws that protect workers’ rights and safety;
* stopping massive subsidies that flow to major corporate chains, unfairly handicapping independent businesses and precluding true market competition

Our pages on Corporate Personhood, Corporate Accountability and Independent Business offer a wealth of related information~~~~~~~~~~~~~Reclaim Democracy

That’s spelled “company” not “comapny” and in the english language you leave a space before the next word following commas and periods.  I’d work on that if I were you.  That’s in between your crying fits at Walmart for your bad decisions in life. 

Grammatical errors on top of abject drivel in your posts.  Yes sad, very sad.

There is no Vicky!! I made her up!! Ha Ha!!

So, we’re back to criticizing people about spelling, right?  This from a person who doesn’t know how to use the ‘space bar’, half the time!!

OOPS!! That should read from bbrd!!

Vicky,

“She must wake up every morning and drink her coffee while staring out her window at that big “WALMART” sign and just cringe.”

I heard a ‘rumor’, that ddrb is mad at Wal-Mart, because she once applied for a job at that store next to her house, and was ‘rejected’ for not being qualified for any positions!!

“That’s spelled “company” not “comapny””

Thanks, ddrb, just recently, took me to task for a misspelling a word!!

bbrd,

I notice that SDV is back at posting as Someone, you and me, thinking others will be ‘fooled’ by it!!  But the ‘man with a thousand poster names’, doesn’t ‘fool’ anybody, except himself and maybe ‘google gal’!!

RDS, I take it as a sign of his desperation.

RDS/(Someone/bbrd)/mary/realist etc. have all been outed by WalMart’s own admission and that of Edelman that WalMart/Edelman hires internet trolls, frauds, fakes and propagandists to try and defend WalMart’s dying reputation on these sites. You were caught long ago, it is pure horseshit chutzpah that makes you stooges think you have or ever had any credibility in the American internet dialogue. In Europe, what you do here propagandizing corporate sleaze on behalf of WalMart is illegal.

Walmartsycophantpsychophobia- The strange, obsessive and abnormal fear of WalMart being disliked by others. Especially on the internet by WalMart’s internet trolls, fakes and propaganda frauds.

I notice that SDV is back at posting as Someone, you and me, thinking others will be ‘fooled’ by it!!  But the ‘man with a thousand poster names’, doesn’t ‘fool’ anybody, except himself and maybe ‘google gal’!!

Good call, RDS—it’s also a sign of desperation on both SVD and Googly’s part, as while they think they can handle anything us “regulars” dish-out to them, they can’t deal with a passer-by like “Vicky” raising the BS flag on them.

RDS/(Someone/bbrd)/mary/realist etc. have all been outed by WalMart’s own admission and that of Edelman that WalMart/Edelman hires internet trolls, frauds, fakes and propagandists to try and defend WalMart’s dying reputation on these sites.

Edelman was then, this is now.  The best PR WM gets is that by word of mouth.

Actually, the thought of getting paid for doing this does sound rather appealing—can you hook me up, SVD?

You were caught long ago, it is pure horseshit chutzpah that makes you stooges think you have or ever had any credibility in the American internet dialogue.

Is that anything like that lynch mob you encountered when you posted your diatribes on CNN’s website? 

In Europe, what you do here propagandizing corporate sleaze on behalf of WalMart is illegal.

And in Europe, they pay three times more for gas than us Americans—but I guess someone like you would want that, too…

SDV,

“by WalMart’s own admission and that of Edelman that WalMart/Edelman hires internet trolls, frauds, fakes and propagandists to try and defend WalMart’s dying reputation on these sites.”

I have yet to see you prove that anyone of us gets PAID to post here!!  I know I have never recieved a check from Wal-Mart for posting here!!

And, speaking about FAKE, you being a FAKE Christian, you should not be calling the ‘kettle’ black!!

“In Europe, what you do here propagandizing corporate sleaze on behalf of WalMart is illegal.”

First, we don’t LIVE in Europe (remember, we broke away from Europe many years ago), and are you saying in Europe, it is ‘legal’ to TRASH a company, but ‘illegal’ to defend one?

I have never recieved a check from Wal-Mart for posting here!!

Perhaps Wal-Mart requires basic spelling abilities?

‘i’ before ‘e’ except after ‘c’. :o)

Live Better In Cheap Underwear

Haw Wal-mart become a gay organization?

Look, criticism has to have some kind of rational basis or it’s illegitimate.  I am NOT the biggest fan of Wal-Mart but when people blame Wal-Mart for the savage behavior of INDIVIDUALS than they lose credibility - period.  This could have happened at ANY retail chain (see Toys “R” Us).  In Wal-Mart’s defense, they had extra police security in place.  At some point, INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE have to take responsibility for their own actions.  The people that rushed in and trampled were not affiliated in any way with Wal-Mart and Wal-Mart didn’t MAKE them do this - THEY made that decision because their priorities were screwed up.  Criticize Wal-Mart for what Wal-Mart does - not for what your fellow human beings do (as painful as it might be to confront that aspect of human nature).

Generic,

“Look, criticism has to have some kind of rational basis or it’s illegitimate.”

To these people, rationality means nothing, it’s emotion that rules their decisions!!  First, they want to blame Wal-Mart for anything that happens on the property, not because there is any basis for it, but rather because Wal-Mart is a ‘big’ company, with ‘deep pockets’ and they are just the ‘little people’ being exploited by that big mean company!!  That showed in the Shanks case and even more so, in the day to day complaints about Wal-Mart, which also, have no rational basis!!

People think Wal-Mart should pay higher wages and give better benefits, but everybody thinks they should get that, no matter where they work!!  If Wal-Mart pays in line with other retailers, it is not rational to think that they are paying ‘too low’, therefore, it’s illegitimate!!

You two WalMart worship clowns need to examine the law on incitement to riot and the legal concept of the ‘duty of care’ as obligated upon businesses. It may be difficult for you to accept RDS, but neither Ayn Rand or Sam Walton died for your sins.

These are WalMart shoppers at a WalMart store who killed a WalMart (temp) employee and injured other WalMart employees due to WalMart business practices creating a WalMart stampede that put the public at risk at WalMart.

WalMart itself claims they prepared for this ‘event’ with extra personnel etc. It simply wasn’t sufficient to equal the frenzy of greed that WalMart cultivated and sought to gain from with another type of drug...the ‘love of money’ where their customers were already punch bowl drunk on ‘door busting’ indifference to what injuries will happen to others. It fits perfectly with the ‘virtues of selfishness’ philosophy that WalMart is all about at the expense of others.

Pro-WalMart propaganda frauds will try desperately to lead people to believe that WalMart had nothing to do with a stampede that occurred at one of their stores.

WalMart- Blitz Line Starts Here. Save More. Get Killed or at least injured. And forget about that ‘Live Better’ crap...you’re at a WalMart.

See you next time AG Jerry!

WalMart- Blitz Line Starts Here. Save More. Get Killed or at least injured. And forget about that ‘Live Better’ crap...you’re at a WalMartuary.

SDV,

“You two WalMart worship clowns need to examine the law on incitement to riot”

So, are you saying, that a store, having a SALE, is ‘incitement to riot’?  If so, then you would have to indite almost EVERY store in America!!

“the legal concept of the ‘duty of care’ as obligated upon businesses.”

As this was only a single incident out of millions of shoppers across the country, how can anyone claim Wal-Mart didn’t practice ‘duty of care’?

“These are WalMart shoppers at a WalMart store who killed a WalMart (temp) employee and injured other WalMart employees”

Glad to hear that you AGREE that it was the Wal-Mart ‘shoppers’ that killed and injured the Wal-Mart employees!!

“due to WalMart business practices creating a WalMart stampede that put the public at risk at WalMart.”

How do Wal-Mart’s business practices differ from any other store that has a ‘Black Friday’ sale?

“Pro-WalMart propaganda frauds will try desperately to lead people to believe that WalMart had nothing to do with a stampede that occurred at one of their stores.”

And, Anti-Wal-Mart propaganda frauds will try desperately to lead people to believe that WalMart had everything to do with a stampede that occurred at one of their stores, contending that even though it was ONLY 1 of their stores, you should IGNORE the rest of the stores where nothing ‘bad’ happened!!  Wal-Mart cannot control the ‘animalistic’ behavior of customers, no matter how much ‘security’ they have, it’s hard to stop a ‘stampede’!!  Wal-Mart wants to build MORE stores to relieve the pressure on a single store, but YOUR anti-crowd says “NO WAY” to that!!  A case could be made, that it was the fault of the anti-crowd, that this happened!!

At some point, INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE have to take responsibility for their own actions.

I never expected to see that from you, Generic. Bravo.

Whereas,WalMart as a corporation,enjoying the benefits of corporate personhood, have no such legal threshold for personal responsibilty.WalMart embodies the corporate abdication of ethical accountabilty.INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE have to take responsibility for their own actions....but corporations rarely do,and even more rarely does WalMart.

Introduction
ReclaimDemocracy.org is devoted to restoring citizen authority over corporations, rather than repeatedly fighting harms caused by individual corporations. So why do we compile such a vast collection of information on one company and assist communities resisting its power? Simply because Wal-Mart is perhaps the most visible symptom of the disease—runaway corporate power—that we work to cure, and a magnet for citizens who we hope will go on to address structural problems.

We use Wal-Mart as an entry point for deepening readers’ awareness of systemic problems and—most importantly—pro-active solutions. We selectively archive articles we believe will be of lasting interest, including many that are pro-chain or otherwise oppose our positions. If you seek daily news or commentary on Wal-Mart, see our links page for sites providing that.

Our work related to Wal-Mart includes:
* revoking corporations’ power to override local decision-making authority;
* enforcement of laws that protect workers’ rights and safety;
* stopping massive subsidies that flow to major corporate chains, unfairly handicapping independent businesses and precluding true market competition

Our pages on Corporate Personhood, Corporate Accountability and Independent Business offer a wealth of related information~~~~~~~~~~~~~Reclaim Democracy

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