Exporting Jobs, Importing Poverty
Two different stories out today - one from the Associated Press (here) and one from the New York Times (below) - both examine the devastation of American blue collar jobs. In an economy where manufacturing jobs are exported overseas, many working class Americans are forced between a rock and a hard place economically. The Associated Press piece explains that many people are turning to drug dealing because “‘I can make a lot more money swinging crack than working at Wal-Mart.’”
In the wake of massive factory closings across the country and the destruction of Main Street businesses, Wal-Mart is often one of the only employment options available. Far from being the savior of rural America, as the company sells itself, Wal-Mart is the ultimate end of a race-to-the-bottom economy. Does middle America need more Wal-Mart’s? Hardly.
Blue-Collar Jobs Disappear, Taking Families’ Way of Life Along [New York Times]
After 30 years at a factory making truck parts, Jeffrey Evans was earning $14.55 an hour in what he called “one of the better-paying jobs in the area.”
Wearing a Harley-Davidson cap, a bittersweet reminder of crushed dreams, he recently described how astonished and betrayed he felt when the plant was shut down in August after a labor dispute. Despite sporadic construction work, Mr. Evans has seen his income reduced by half.
So he was astonished yet again to find himself, at age 49, selling off his cherished Harley and most of his apartment furniture and moving in with his mother.
Middle-aged men moving in with parents, wives taking two jobs, veteran workers taking overnight shifts at half their former pay, families moving West — these are signs of the turmoil and stresses emerging in the little towns and backwoods mobile homes of southeast Ohio, where dozens of factories and several coal mines have closed over the last decade, and small businesses are giving way to big-box retailers and fast-food outlets.
Here, where the northern swells of the Appalachians lap the southern fringe of the Rust Belt, thousands of people who long had tough but sustainable lives are being wrenched into the working poor.
The region presents an acute example of trends affecting many parts of Ohio, Michigan and other pockets of the Midwest.
Slammed by the continued decline in the automobile and steel businesses, Ohio never recovered from the recession of 2001-2, and blue-collar families who had made it partway up the economic ladder find themselves slipping back, with chaotic effects on families and dreams.
Throughout the state, the percentage of families living below the poverty line — just over $20,000 for a family of four last year — rose slightly from 14 percent in 2005 to 16 percent in 2007, one study found. But equally striking is the rise in younger working families struggling above that line. The numbers are more dismal in the southeastern Appalachian part of the state, where 32 percent of families lived below the poverty line in 2007, according to the study, and 56 percent lived with incomes less than $40,000 for a family of four.
“These younger workers should be the backbone of the economy,” said Shiloh Turner, study director for the Health Foundation of Greater Cincinnati, which conducted the surveys. But in parts of Ohio, Ms. Turner said, half or more “are barely making ends meet.”
One consequence is an upending of the traditional pattern, in which middle-aged children take in an elderly parent. As $15-an-hour factory jobs are replaced by $7- or $8-an-hour retail jobs, more men in their 30s and 40s are moving in with their parents or grandparents, said Cheryl Thiessen, the director of Jackson/Vinton Community Action, which runs medical, fuel and other aid programs in Jackson and Vinton Counties.
Other unemployed or low-wage workers, some with families, find themselves staying with one relative after another, Ms. Thiessen said, serially wearing out their welcome.
“A lot of major employers have left, and the town is drying up,” Ms. Thiessen said of Jackson. “We’re starting to lose small shops, too — Hallmark, the jewelry and shoe stores, the movie theater and most of the grocery stores.”
Shari Joos, 45, a married mother of four boys in nearby Wellston, said, “If you don’t work at Wal-Mart, the only job you can get around here is in fast food.”
Between her husband’s factory job and her intermittent work, they made $30,000 a year in the best of times, Mrs. Joos said. Since last fall, when her husband was laid off by the Merillat cabinet factory, which downsized to one shift a day from three, keeping anywhere near that income required Mrs. Joos to take a second job. She works at a school cafeteria each weekday from 9:30 a.m. to 1 p.m and then drives to Wal-Mart, where she relaxes in her car before starting her 2-to-10 p.m. shift at the deli counter.
Her 20-year-old son went to college for two years, earning an associate degree in information science, but cannot find any jobs nearby. He still works at McDonald’s and lives at home as he ponders whether to move to a distant city, as most local college graduates must. Her 22-year-old son works at Burger King and lives with his grandparents — “that was his way of moving out,” Mrs. Joos said.
In late December her husband landed a new job, driving a fork lift at a Wal-Mart distribution center, a shift that ends at 2:30 a.m. It pays a little less than he used to make and is an hour’s drive away, so gasoline soaks up a painful share of his wages.
“We never see each other,” Mrs. Joos, 45, said on a recent morning as she packed a roast beef and cheese sandwich for her evening meal. “We never even think of taking a vacation.”
Luckily they had paid off their mobile home and an addition they built.
As experienced men in this corner of Ohio have found themselves working for lower wages, others feel they must move.
“I’m ain’t going to work for no $8 an hour!” said Lindsey Webb, 52, who, like Mr. Evans, was one of hundreds laid off when Meridian Automotive Systems closed its local plant. On a recent night, Mr. Webb was helping out in a trailer in front of the old factory, a vigil by the United Steelworkers Union to remind the company of its obligations to former workers.
Mr. Webb, who worked at the plant for 33 years, made more than $16 an hour doing machine maintenance. Now he is thinking of moving to Arizona, taking along his elderly father, whom he helps care for.
Darrel McKenzie, 44, was also a maintenance man at Meridian and grossed more than $60,000 a year. Now he has restarted at the bottom as a union pipe-fitting apprentice and expects to make $20,000 this year. His family just “does less,” Mr. McKenzie said.
Mr. Evans said that moving back into the home where he grew up, after decades of independence, was a stinging reminder that “I lost everything I worked for all my life.”
His mother, Shirley Sheline, 73, had worked 28 years at the same auto parts plant, and shares his dismay. “Can you believe it, a grown man forced to move back with his mother,” she said.
Seeing his desperation last year, she added a room to her house with a separate door.
“I don’t know what I’d have done without my mom,” Mr. Evans said. “At least I can help her, or if I get back on my feet, she can rent it out.”
By contrast, selling his Harley, which he would have paid off this year, was pure torture. He had owned a Harley since he was 20, and weekend cruising with pals was his favorite recreation.
“The buyer said he wanted to take it away in the back of a trailer,” Mr. Evans recalled, “and I said, ‘That won’t happen.’ ”
“Instead I drove it to his house, threw him the keys, came home and got drunk.”
Posted by Alex Goldschmidt on Wednesday, January 16, 2008
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more ufcw union and alex goldschmidt garbage.
matthew vantress in gresham oregon
Wednesday, January 16 at 01:35 PM
Wal-Mart opposed renaming Sixth Street in Fayetteville in honor of Martin Luther King. A Supercenter is located on the street. Last night, the City Council ignored their opposition and unanimously changed the name of the street.
Jonah Tebbetts in Fayetteville, AR
Wednesday, January 16 at 02:09 PM
Even more at fault than Unions is the US Government slapping painful taxes on corporations. That is the number one reason for companies retreating overseas. Under the FairTax we would see all US companies operating over seas come home.
Big T in Rogers
Wednesday, January 16 at 02:11 PM
If you are ever lost in a city and you find yourself on Martin Luther King Dr.... LOCK YOUR DOORS!
I hope that trend doesnt follow to Fayetteville. I will have to start taking the back way to Razorback games.
Big T in Rogers
Wednesday, January 16 at 02:13 PM
got news for you mattress, ITS REAL.
ma in
Wednesday, January 16 at 02:35 PM
more ufcw union and alex goldschmidt garbage.
“Goldschmidt’s Garbage”, you say?
Who said you didn’t have a sense of humor?
Good job, Matty V.!
bbrd in
Wednesday, January 16 at 04:25 PM
Who said you didn’t have a sense of humor?
Good job, Matty V.!
bbrd in
matthew HAS to have a sense of humour. Look who he has to live with everyday, (himself).
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Alex in Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, January 16 at 06:06 PM
More fairy tales about the fair tax? You really think US companies will close up shop overseas and do business here if the fair tax is implemented?
The only way US businesses will stop exporting our jobs overseas if they get penalized for doing so!
Corgishepmom in Irrigon, OR
Wednesday, January 16 at 06:18 PM
“In an economy where manufacturing jobs are exported overseas,"-it makes good business sense, but so does clear-cutting a forest.
The reason I put these two statements together (the first from the above article), the second from an article I saw in a local paper from here, is to demonstrate that there is a cost.
Clear-cutting a forest or strip mining a piece of land makes business sense.But why are we doing it less and less? Because outside of the corporates bottom line, there are other costs that will not be ignored.
The problem with some of the folks that write on this blog is that they measure what is good, only by year end corporate profits.
Values are slowely changing. People are becoming aware.
It will not stop. Walmart can not stop it. I am sure they wish the could though.
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Alex in Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, January 16 at 06:25 PM
Big T: How does renaming a street make the street unsafe? What are you actually inferring? I don’t understand your comment. Would you have the same reaction to Fair Tax Boulevard?
ddrb in
Wednesday, January 16 at 06:52 PM
Jonah Tebbetts,
“Wal-Mart headed the list of 71 local businesses that opposed naming the street in King’s honor.... There were a lot of folks who opposed the name change but did not want to speak publicly” ~ The Iconoclast (Jonah Tebbetts)
Talking with a few Fayetteville residents, they said that many residents were unhappy about the proposal and would continue to call it 6th street!!
RDS in
Thursday, January 17 at 02:29 AM
Here’s one along similar lines from Alternet’s section on corporate responsibility*.
Buy Some Stuff, Enslave Somebody
Why are we so disconnected from the slave labor that produces so many of our products?
*Saying “corporate responsibility” to a right wing-nut is like backing Dracula off with a crucifix!
Ken V in Texas
Thursday, January 17 at 04:49 AM
I’m swearing off trying to tag links. From now on if you’re interested, please copy & paste the URL for yourselves.
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/71173/
Ken V in Texas
Thursday, January 17 at 04:51 AM
WalMart is a poverty engine against American workers. From Martin Luther King Jr. describing the greater reality-
“It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago (1962) he said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”
“A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand we are called to play the Good samaritan on life’s roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life’s highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.”
Martin Luther King Jr. April 4th, 1967 “Beyond Vietnam” Address delivered to the Nation at Riverside Church, New York City
WalMart/Waltons- Along with Bush and the oil companies, we are what remains of an Ayn Rand freak show ‘Virtures of Selfishness’ psychopath culture. We are international corporate delinquency that disregards people and labor, trashing them as mere commodities to be exploited in a materialistic frenzy that has no room for compassion.
Martin Luther King Jr. had the greater Christian view which is precluded from the dead conscience of ‘love of money’ psychopaths. Renaming a street for him will offend the insane, however it remains the Jericho Road that is reality.
SanDiegoView in
Thursday, January 17 at 05:20 AM
Never give up Ken, never!
Buy Some Stuff, Enslave Somebody
SanDiegoView in
Thursday, January 17 at 05:25 AM
Sandiego: Since you are opposed to “love of money”, does tis mean that you are opposed to socialist government and its obeession with robbing people blind and using the stolen money to rebuild society according to the dictates of the socialists?
economic in e.g
Thursday, January 17 at 06:52 AM
economic-
You mean the same ‘socialist government’, local, state and national that is subsidizing WalMart and the Waltons with billions every year of taxpayer money?
Any national government by definition has social purposes for public benefit and is instituted upon mankind and his corporations to restrain them in and from the international wars and conflicts they cause in wanting to resource rape other nations and exploit people.
Stewardship of any wealth or monies amongst a materialistic indoctrinated culture is tough enough with moral relativism and the law unenforceable as standards even for the protection of shareholders. Taxation is part of the dues you owe even in a nation with government of the people, by the people and for the people. Remember it is not, of the corporation, by the corporation or for the corporation.
When FDR had to ‘rebuild’ society after the capitalistic slaughterhouse 1920’s antics of the ‘free markets’ slobs, restraint was built into the system to try and prevent that type of behavior from happening again.
Capitalism is best when it behaves itself.
Some ideologues however believe that corporations are not capable of robbing people blind. These are dead conscience unrealistic egoism extremist type people we must keep out of positions of responsibility.
WalMart/Waltons- We stole billions from labor and scammed billions in subsidies. Maybe the Federal Estate Tax will get part of it back. You don’t think we actually ‘worked’ for the billions do you? We cheated and exploited American labor out of their share of the profits with Global Labor Arbitrage and then WalMart’s notorious impoverishment wages as the #1 ‘love of money’ psychopath retail business model in the USA.
The Waltons and WalMart want to thank again all the taxpayers suckers for subsidizing billionaires. We robbed you blind-
“People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.”
Helen Keller
SanDiegoView in
Thursday, January 17 at 08:06 AM
SDV: Thank you for your thoughtful and thought provoking posts,once again. I had never heard or read the Dr. King speech you refered to above. (Apri 4,1967.) Add visionary to this man’s qualities. I read the story about the other business not wanting Sixth Street to be renamed. I wonder how Huckabee would react to this? This sort of stance by WalMart smacks of racism and discrimination, contrary to their spin-head speak. Expect it to pop up in future legal actions involving discrimination.
ddrb in
Thursday, January 17 at 10:07 AM
HTML… Enough to Make a Sober Man Take Up Drinking!
Ken,
This is the html that’s usually worked for me. It’s a bit longer, but you can copy/paste and save it for future reference:
insert your linked word(s)
Buy Some Stuff, Enslave Somebody
I think maybe the culprit the last time was the > after your first “a.” Don’t close the tag until after your linked reference.
ScrewedbyWal-Mart in Anytown, America
Thursday, January 17 at 10:31 AM
Damn...I accidently Created a Link!!
I seem to have the opposite problem. I created a link when I didn’t want to.
Here’s the code again. This time I left the tag open at the end...be sure to close it.
<a href="http://walmartwatch.com/?URL=http://www.kff.org/insurance.cfm">insert your linked word(s)</a
ScrewedbyWal-Mart in Anytown, America
Thursday, January 17 at 10:36 AM
Thanks for you help. (I realized that I closed the <a
Ken V in Texas
Thursday, January 17 at 10:45 AM
What happens when businesses can operate in the United States with no tax component on either capital or labor? That question was asked of the leaders of about 400 huge corporations not headquartered in the united states. Over 300 of these business leaders said that they would immediately open their next manufacturing or distribution facility in the U.S. By the way, the remaining corporate heads said they would go ahead and move their headquarters to the U.S. Corgishepmom says we need to penalize them for going overseas. Right now we are penalizing them for staying in America.
Big T in Rogers
Thursday, January 17 at 12:23 PM
Those golden parachutes and platinum paychecks are penalties?
ddrb in
Thursday, January 17 at 01:56 PM
It is sad to read that the world’s largest retailer sees paying unlivable wages as progress in its home country. I have been a reader of this site for over three years and am constantly amazed by the paranoia shown by American companies to unions. In Australia our most sucessful retailer has become number one by studying Wal-Marts practises and adopting them to the Australian market conditions. They have never had to stage war against the unions along the way and they pay a reasonable wage. I have used the internet to compare retail prices in Australia to Wal mart prices and they line up with each other most of the time. As for corporations filtering down the savings through tax reductions I did not think that anyone believed that fairytale anymore. A great book to read on wage justice was written by an American- Henry George and is called Progress and Poverty
JIM in Newcastle, Aus
Thursday, January 17 at 01:56 PM
JIM: Thanks for the post and the book title.
ddrb in
Thursday, January 17 at 05:40 PM
Big T
I have the very same problem naming streets, air ports, battle ships, libraries, hospitals, ect. after Ronald Reagan, as you do with naming them after Dr. King.
Big D in
Thursday, January 17 at 06:52 PM
Big D,
The problem was not, that a street be renamed after Dr. King, the problem was with WHICH street was to be renamed!!
RDS in
Friday, January 18 at 12:18 AM
liberal high tax fee and regulate more policies are what drives jobs overseas not walmart alex goldschmidt.
matthew vantress in gresham,oregon
Friday, January 18 at 07:36 AM
RDS: What’s the story about Sixth street? Why would this street pose more of a problem by being renamed ?This doesn’t make sense.
ddrb in
Friday, January 18 at 12:55 PM
Really Big D. So in your experience, streets, air ports, battle ships, libraries, hospitals that are named after Ronald Reagan tend to be high crime places???
Big T in Rogers
Friday, January 18 at 03:55 PM
I have read that WalMart parking lots tend to be high crime places,no matter WHAT the name of the street THEY are on!
ddrb in
Friday, January 18 at 04:23 PM
This is just socialist tripe, If Walmart is so bad, then why do so many people shop there? Regarding wages, if they are so low, why are so many people willing to work at Walmart? Who are You or I to decide what is best for us??
duane in Austin Tx
Friday, January 18 at 04:50 PM
duane:Who am I to decide what’s best for me? Who are you to decide what’s best for you?And your point is......
ddrb in
Friday, January 18 at 05:01 PM
My point is this anti-walmart stuff. If no one shopped at Walmart they would go out of business. If their wages were too low, nobody would work there. I like Walmart and love their low prices. So what is all this activism against walmart? They are are free to offer their goods at whatever prices they want and offer jobs at whatever wages they like, If you don’t like it. Then don’t work there and don’t shop there.
duane in
Friday, January 18 at 05:53 PM
ddrb,
“What’s the story about Sixth street? Why would this street pose more of a problem by being renamed ?This doesn’t make sense.”
You would have to live in Fayettevile to understand, 6th Street, is a cross street of Razorback Drive and is associated with the location of the Razorback Stadium!! Fayetteville has some streets that define the city, like College Ave. and Dickson Street, 6th Street is one of them and people don’t want to see any of them changed!! If Gregg Street were proposed, for example, hardly anybody would complain!! A better way that you might understand, is if I asked you, “Why would putting the Wal-Mart store next to your house, pose more of a problem to you than if it were located elsewhere?”, one is as good as another, right?
RDS in
Friday, January 18 at 06:24 PM
RDS:Changing the name of a street is not the same as putting a walmart 30 feet from people’s homes.The street is already there.Changing the name of a street doesn’t create more traffic,or crime,or noise, or lights, or property devaluation, or lack of privacy-stop and think,RDS-isn’t that what you tell everyone else to do? Changing a name makes little or no difference-you ought to know-look how many name changes you’ve gone through on this site,here...yet you NEVER change.
ddrb in
Friday, January 18 at 06:37 PM
Big T
No, but those that worship at his alter are the biggest bunch of thieves to plague this country.
I have NEVER had any thing of mine taken, stolen, coerced, or deliberately damaged or destroyed by any one of color.
On the other hand, I lost $60,000 to Ronald Reagan disciples in the ENRON, World Com. scams of late. I lost untold tax dollars with the S&L;scandals in the 80’s and now Bush’s crap!!!!! I would gladly trade a watch and a wallet for the money stolen from me and soooooo many other middle class Americans by the WHITE thieves dressed in $1000 suites and driving BMW’s. All of whom think of Ronald Reagan is a God!
BTW it’s NOT the name of the street that causes high crime, it’s the LOCATION!
Big D in
Friday, January 18 at 09:11 PM
ddrb,
I didn’t think you would understand about sentemtality, tradition or history!! How about if they wanted to change the name of a place like The United States of America, to George Bush’s States of North America, would you care? After all, it’s already here and, what’s in a name anyhow, right?
RDS in
Saturday, January 19 at 12:40 AM
...putting a walmart 30 feet from people’s homes.
Before I fall for that line, I think some sort of PROOF would be in order…
Surely, ddrb, you can find a way to do that without compromising your true identity. Maybe the store # or something?
bbrd in
Saturday, January 19 at 12:48 AM
bbrd
Wal-Mart is not only the building but the parking lot as well. I have seen many WM’s built next to and surrounded by homes and apartments. I don’t know why you find ddrb’s statement so hard to believe. BTW there was a video of another person with the same problem on this site not too long ago.
Big D in
Saturday, January 19 at 01:06 AM
hey ddrb why are you so quiet about all the crime in the parking lots at the high cost stores you are so madly in love with?and how about all the crime in the parking lots of the ufcw union grocery stores acros america you shop at?i wonder why you are so quiet about that?how about all the shoplifting crime these places bring?it makes you a hypocrit to pick on walmart over this and not say a darn thing about it happening in places that you favor.
matthew vantress in gresham,oregon
Saturday, January 19 at 06:08 AM
If the union worked more with making a company profitable so that the union members would have a job for a life time and stop trying to blame Wal-Mart for all of their problems you all would still have jobs.
I have been from one end of this country to the other and one of the worst places to deliver a load of freight is to a union shop. The worker are lazy, ignorant and hard to get along with because they have the union attiude that they are better then everybody else, until they lose their jobs and then its everybodys fault but their own.
Wake up union workers the companies are tired of over paying for under worked union members.
When you lose your job maybe you will not look down you nose at the poor person like you do now. You all can’t shop at Wal-Mart because that is where the poor person shops.
The poor guy had to sell all of his toys and move back home with mommy. How about working two jobs like most of the poor people and don’t the union take care of this man when he is out of work. I throught the union was for the working man, oh I forgot he can’t pay his union dues with out a job and the union don’t need him now. Makes me want to go out and pay union dues.
TLee in Indiana
Saturday, January 19 at 04:37 PM
Well said, TLee!! If people think that customer service at Wal-Mart is ‘bad’ now, just wait until they get a union in!! And, if they think the lines are long now, just wait until you try to check out when everybody is on break at the same time!!
I just checked out at Wal-Mart yesterday and had to wait while they changed out cashiers, the ‘new’ cashier said she was sorry for my delay, but the other cashier had to go on break!! I said, “I thought you people didn’t get your breaks on time” and she replied, “No, if we DON’T take our break on time, we get in trouble for it”!! Then, she said, “Sometimes we get a register we like and hate going on break, because we lose that register, to the ‘new’ cashier and have to replace someone else after our break is over”!!
RDS in
Sunday, January 20 at 02:22 PM
We can’t remain a world power without manufacturing. You can’t consume your way to power in the world economy. If we have nothing to sell, we will become irrelevant.
http://www.freedomsringmall.com
Doug in Oklahoma
Tuesday, January 22 at 01:34 PM
“....worst places to deliver a load of freight is to a union shop. The worker are lazy, ignorant and hard to get along with ......"~TLee in Indiana
Bob (RDS)
Please tell us about when you were lazy, ignorant and hard to get along with as TLee from Indiana describes your union working days.
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Alex in Ontario, Canada
Wednesday, January 23 at 12:31 PM
Hey Big D. What does “a person of color” have to do with our discussion??? I never said anything about “a person of color”. Why would you possible draw that conclusion??? Are you a racist?
I was simply making a joke about MLK.
Big T in Rogers
Thursday, January 24 at 09:23 PM
Alex,
“Bob (RDS)
Please tell us about when you were lazy, ignorant and hard to get along with as TLee from Indiana describes your union working days.”
Sorry, but I was a truck driver myself, who delivered mainly into American Motors and am well aware of what TLee is talking about and is part of the reason I left trucking and went to work in a non-union cast iron foundry!! When it takes over an hour, to deliver 2 pallets, while waiting for the workers to quit talking and start working, I call that lazy, too!!
RDS in
Friday, January 25 at 01:59 AM
RDS: Would you please correct me if I’m wrong,but didn’t you work for the union for over ten years according to your earlier posts ? If so,that’s a lot of years waiting around on palletts. (And,BTW,it IS reprehensible you were swindled out of your rightful pension,RDS. Too bad you didn’t seek legal redress.)
ddrb in
Friday, January 25 at 12:14 PM
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