Family of Jdimytai Damour files wrongful death suit against Wal-Mart

THE WALMARTIZATION OF AMERICA AND THE WALMART STAMPEDE OF 2008

So far the pro-WalMart propaganda effort has sought to only blame the people who came to WalMart at the Long Island store for this stampede or the death and injuries that occurred. The interest is to claim that neither WalMart advertising, influence, the WalMart business model at large and WalMart crime magnet history or even really WalMart had anything to do with having creating a frenzy of greed developed from WalMart’s entire cut throat retail attitude.

Now comes the public relations effort to group dissimilar criminal activity together to dilute what WalMart is responsible for in the public eye. The pro-WalMart trolls want a shooting at Toys R Us to be seen with the same measurement as a stampede at WalMart. Toys R Us did not cause a gang related shooting in their California store. WalMart did create conditions and evaded a duty of care to protect their employees and the public in and from a foreseeable event that WalMart itself claims they prepared for with extra personnel etc. It simply wasn’t sufficient to equal the frenzy of greed that WalMart cultivated and sought to gain from with another type of drug...the ‘love of money’ where their customers were already punch bowl drunk on ‘door busting’ indifference to what injuries will happen to others. It fits perfectly with the ‘virtues of selfishness’ philosophy that WalMart is all about at the expense of others.

The Christian effort to develop Christlike character in people and the caring interest in others in ‘love one another’ has been countermanded by WalMart and their vicious ‘love of money’ indifference to others as evidenced in this event and what WalMart is all about. This is what drinking the WalMart Kool-Aid will do to you personally and the American culture under a Bushco/WalMart distressed economy.

These are WalMart shoppers at a WalMart store who killed a WalMart (temp) employee and injured other WalMart employees due to WalMart business practices creating a WalMart stampede that put the public at risk at WalMart.

You can’t yell ‘fire!!’ in a crowded movie theater because of the consequences and therefore it is illegal...but WalMart has been allowed to yell ‘fire sale!!’ and seek to evade any responsibility for their part in this stampede.

WalMart culture, WalMart advertising, WalMart economic psychopathy and the WalMart business model and the Walmartization of America.

WalMart spending $2 billion annually to whip people up into a WalMart mentality with WalMart economic morality had nothing to do with a ‘door busting’ frenzy killing a man at the Valley Stream WalMart.

Yeah right.

You should see how ‘influence’ rigged it up in 1938 to storm Jewish stores and shops on Kristallnacht.

These guys had nothing to do with anything either-

Joseph Goebbels Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda in Nazi Germany.
Gunter d’Alquen appointed by Himmler as head of the Wehrmacht propaganda department.
Max Amann President of the Reichspressekammer (Reich Media Chamber)

WalMart= We cultivate our very own type of Kristallnacht stampede. Merry Christmas!

I like that, Walmart is guilty of yelling “fire sale” in a crowded building. I’ll have to quote that sometime…

Wal-Mart’s Culture of Crime and Greed | | AlterNetJun 29, 2005 ... Wal-Mart’s Culture of Crime and Greed ... The culture of Wal-Mart encourages and condones misbehavior among its leaders every day. ...
www.alternet.org/story/21658/ - 100k - Cached - Similar pages~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~NOTE: The LAST paragraph of this article alone, is worth a trip to Alternet. The corollary between the the article and the senseless death on Black Friday is breathtaking,considering it was written 3 years ago. Stunning.

walmart must pay for this.

Wal-Mart’s Culture Of Crime And Greed
Jonathan Tasini
March 30, 2005

Greed is a theme with the Wal-Mart family. The family, worth a combined $95 billion, has given a stingy one percent of its wealth to charity. By comparison, Business Week, writing about Bill and Melinda Gates in a November cover story on the country’s philanthropists, observed that the Gates made “history this year by giving their estimated $3 billion Microsoft Corp dividend to their foundation. It’s one of the largest donations in history by a living donor. To put it into perspective, that one gift is three times bigger than the amount that America’s richest family, the descendants of Wal-Mart Stores Inc founder Sam Walton, has given during their entire lifetimes .” [Emphasis added]

The company’s reaction to this record of law-breaking has been predictable: It’s just a public relations problem—the standard response at a company that has built its image on myths. CEO Lee Scott, backed by millions of dollars of advertising on television and in print publications like The New York Review of Books , recently embarked on a public relations tour. Speaking in Los Angeles, he told business leaders, “We’ve got nothing to apologize for.”

When you see all the law-breaking, malfeasance and greed around you, and your corporate leader thumps his chest in pride, a natural human reaction might be, “Where’s my taste here? If my company routinely violates the law or runs right up to the edge of the law at every opportunity to squeeze out more profits, what’s a few hundred thousand dollars in inflated expenses, morally speaking?”

Coughlin and the other management schlubs who have been shown the door are not anomalies. They are a reflection of a culture stretching back to Sam Walton himself—a man who was a classic bully, willing to trample on the little guy and make a profit off of the poverty of millions of people. That’s the Wal-Mart way.~~~~~~~~~~~~ via Tom Paine~~~~~NOTE: This is an excerpt of a superb piece that should be read in its entirety. However, the last paragraph,especially the last two sentences say it all .

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Top Cop: Wal-Mart May Be To Blame For Worker Death

Nassau Detective: Investigation Focusing On Individuals In Crowd And Badly Thought Out Security Protocols

Fleming also said it appears the victim was sent to the front door of the Wal-Mart because of his size—he was 6-foot-5 and 270 pounds --

http://wcbstv.com/watercooler/walmart.worker.trampled.2.877272.html

Wal-mart is the most sued company in the world. ~ Orrin Woodward

Police on Long Island say they warned WalMart officials to be prepared for massive crowds on the morning of Friday…

“When you advertise...products...and you market it heavily...and its gone as public interest and its great bargains with limited quantities of merchandise and you have a crowd that can grow beyond the quantity available...it is a recipe for disaster.”

“In our assessment there were not adequate protocols in place. In fact security was inside the store and not outside organizing, arranging and planning for this anticipated opening.”

Nassau Police Commissioner Lawrence Mulvy

Then this little item has already appeared from a filing…

The suit claims the defendants “created an atmosphere of competition and anxiety amongst the crowd that caused the crowd to surge and enter into a crowd craze” and “engaged in specific marketing and advertising techniques to specifically attract a large crowd and create an environment of frenzy and mayhem...”

This is WalMart’s very own self made Kristallnacht born and bred from WalMart’s economic moral relativism and business sociopathy in the WalMart personality and business model complete with the attitude of indifference and the total lack of ‘duty to care’. This ‘door busting’ frenzy did not appear on its own. It had developmental help from WalMart.

WalMart- Blitz Line Starts Here. Save More. Get Killed or at least injured.

So it’s Walmart’s fault that people get so obsessed with a sale that they choose to stampede someone?  Is it McDonald’s fault that people are fat?  3000+ stores that had the same sale and only these idiot shoppers killed someone and that means that Walmart is at fault for having too good of a sale.  Until we start blaming the people that have no self control for the problems that their lack of self control has caused, society is only going to continue to go down hill.

Until we start blaming the people that have no self control...

That would be the “Focusing On Individuals In Crowd” part, Dave. What about the “Badly Thought Out Security Protocols”?

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Ken V: Interesting that Dave,a WalMart employee ,refers to WalMart shoppers as idiots.I read that a couple of other shoppers who were injured in the incident are suing WalMart also. I guess Dave would call their counsel “idiots”,too.

I really don’t understand why anyone would put themselves thru this anymore when you can find better deals online from the safety and comfort of home...especially with eBay search tools like ours.

I keep hearing on this site that this was a foreseeable problem.  1 store out of 3600 had this problem.  Security was no less here than the other 3600.  So this comes down to there was only a 0.02% chance of this happening.  How could Walmart expect that consumers would possibly do this???  The only ones at fault are the customers in this store who stormed in like maniacs. 
If Walmart took measures to ensure there would not be a stampeed you guys on this site would be complaining about how Walmart is treating their customers like animals.
Maybe next year (at this store) Walmart can have someone pull the door open with a rope.

I understand the family is upset about this tragic loss but to sue Walmart and the Long Island Police Dept is ridiculous.

I keep hearing on this site that this was a foreseeable problem.  1 store out of 3600 had this problem.  Security was no less here than the other 3600.  So this comes down to there was only a 0.02% chance of this happening.  How could Walmart expect that consumers would possibly do this???

Looking at the bigger picture, Big Tex, I would say this is pretty hard evidence that New Yorkers are actually embracing WM—especially in troubled economic times.

Even the deceased was from the city.

Mass hysteria is the end result when “they” don’t let a WM open in one of the five NYC boroughs.  Deal with it.

...to sue Walmart and the Long Island Police Dept is ridiculous.

That, Big Tex, remains to be seen. SDV’s “Walmart is guilty of yelling ‘fire sale’” in a crowded building pretty well sums it up. Bentonville is either in control of their property or they’re not.

...a 0.02% chance...

I wonder what the number would be if you added in all the possible negative things that happen at Wal-Mart on a daily basis? Stuff like parking lot muggings, theft from autos, and all the other things a crime magnet like Wal-Mart generates.

I don’t think someone getting a good deal on toilet paper at Walmart is, through their purchase, endorsing Walmart’s business practices. ~ Greg Spotts

“I wonder what the number would be if you added in all the possible negative things that happen at Wal-Mart on a daily basis? Stuff like parking lot muggings, theft from autos, and all the other things a crime magnet like Wal-Mart generates. “
Ken v.

I would guess it is far less then “crime magnets” like subways, public parks, Alley ways, theme parks, city parking lots.

“That, Big Tex, remains to be seen. SDV’s “Walmart is guilty of yelling ‘fire sale’” in a crowded building pretty well sums it up. Bentonville is either in control of their property or they’re not. “
Ken V.

Yes Ken, I saw SDV’s cute comparison to screaming fire at a movie theatre but remember, Walmart screamed “fire sale” at all 3600 stores, not just 1 store or 0.02% of them.

I hope they sue Walmarts ass off.

ddrb,

“The family, worth a combined $95 billion, has given a stingy one percent of its wealth to charity......The company’s reaction to this record of law-breaking has been predictable:”

Since when did ‘Not giving as much as Bill Gates’, become a matter of law-breaking?

SDV,

“Police on Long Island say they warned WalMart officials to be prepared for massive crowds on the morning of Friday…”

So, the POLICE suspected this might happen and stood by and LET it happen, right?  Doesn’t the police have a responsibility for ‘crowd control’, in a possible hazerdous situation?

bbrd,

“I would say this is pretty hard evidence that New Yorkers are actually embracing WM—”

You are right, maybe if the anti people weren’t STOPPING stores from being built, so many people wouldn’t have to decend on 1 store!!

Big Tex,

“I would guess it is far less then “crime magnets” like subways, public parks, Alley ways, theme parks, city parking lots.”

Right on, if the police in the ‘big cities’ can’t even control crime, when THEY have the authority to arrest, how do these idiots think that Wal-Mart Security could control crime, without the authority to arrest?  And, when they do try to prevent crime, they get attacked for “trying to act like police” and being too hard on criminals!!  I wonder how these ‘clowns’, think a Wal-Mart Security person would be able to STOP someone from shooting, raping, or robbing another person?  Would they run out and Yell “Stop that!” and the criminal would Yell back “Okay, I’m SORRY’!!

Do ya ever wonder what somebodies last thoughts will be that they wasted their lives in front of a screen defending a business that don’t give a jack shit about them?

Check out this joke article....

http://thetenpoundblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/black-friday-now-only-day-of-profit-in.html

a good take on the frenzy

Six Phases of a Liberals thought process:

1) Enthusiasm
2) Disillusionment
3) Panic
4) Search For The Guilty
5) Punishment Of The Innocent
6) Praise, Honor & Distinction For The Non-Participants

SEVEN DIFFICULT CONCEPTS AND PHRASES FOR PSYCHOPATHS

1) Materialism
2) Consumerism
3) Definition of Extortion
4) Advertising and culture manipulations
5) Subliminal Programming
6) Psychological Warfare
7) Corporate responsibility

Three phases of fools:

Ridicule
Disillusion
Stupidity

...Walmart screamed “fire sale” at all 3600 stores, not just 1 store or 0.02% of them.

Somehow I don’t think Jdimytai Damour’s family will find that very comforting. Perhaps if Bentonville offered them .02% of Black friday sales?

What’s good for Wal-Mart is BAD for America!

“Interesting that Dave,a WalMart employee ,refers to WalMart shoppers as idiots.”

Yes, I would consider shoppers that trample a person to death to be idiots. among other things such as heartless. Anyone who thinks a tv or blue ray marked down $100 is worth killing someone for is clearly not in their right mind.  I’m not sure why Walmart was supposed to expect that that many people would view saving $100 as more important than human life.  Apparently some of you that think Walmart is to blame for having such a good sale also are of the opinion that saving $100 is more important than human life which explains some things about you.

“Somehow I don’t think Jdimytai Damour’s family will find that very comforting. Perhaps if Bentonville offered them .02% of Black friday sales?”
Ken V.

Ken, I agree that Jdimytai Damour’s family will not find it comforting that this was the only store with this problem but I hope they valued Jdimytai’s life more than 0.02% of Black Friday sales.  I hope their is no money that would comfort them.  I also would like to remind you that this is not Walmarts fault.  Remember, it was not Walmart employees that stormed the retailer, it was the idiots of NY.

Let me add, had this happened at a Target, no-one would be blaming the retailer.  Instead you would be more reasonable and blame the idiots that stormed the doors.

any one ,please post the wallmart lawsuit by gentleman killed on black friday during rush of shoppers

<a >wal-mart</a> could avoid the situation with hiring more security guys. it is obvious, that the crowd would be huge on that day. but they do not care about safety, they only care about marketing and profit.

“<a >wal-mart</a> could avoid the situation with hiring more security guys. it is obvious, that the crowd would be huge on that day.”
Ruzanna

Ruzanna, you are right, it was obvious the crowd would be huge that day, same as it was at all other Walmarts.  What was not obvious was that the crowd at this one NY store would be animalistic and would be willing to kill to get in the store.

Now Ruzanna, I have heard you and other say Walmart should have had more security.  Tell me exactly how much security you would have hired if it were up to you?  Now you have the advantage over Walmart here because you already know about the animalistic crowd.

“but they do not care about safety, they only care about marketing and profit.”
Ruzanna

So Ruzanna, how is it you know this?  Did you see something we all missed?  Did Walmart make an official statement that they do not care about safety???

Ruzanna,

“but they do not care about safety”

If the customers were ‘Safe’ at 99.8% of ALL Wal-Mart stores on Black Friday, how can you say something like, “they do not care about safety”?  Now, if you had many people getting killed at many stores, you might have a point!!

If 1 pedestrian gets killed on a day in a city, does that mean the officials of that city “do not care about safety’?  And, is then the CITY responsible for that pedestrian’s death?

Actually RDS, they were safe at 99.98% of stores.

Walmart is an evil corporation, no matter what

Nov. 28, 2003- A woman is trampled in walmat in Central Florida for $29.87 DVD/VCR combo.
http://www.wftv.com/news/2670104/detail.html

Nov. 16, 2006-The long, cold wait for the PlayStation 3 turned ugly on Thursday when customers eager to get in line at a Wal-Mart stampeded, trampling each other in a debacle that left at least one man injured.

Some witnesses said the store’s management set the scene for disaster when the crowd of about 50 people was told to race to 10 chairs for a chance to buy the 10 rare videogame systems the store expected to sell today.-By Stanley A. Miller II of the Journal Sentinel

the entire article is here...http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/29212964.html

My two cents worth is walmart SHOULD have seen this coming.  Hell, they promote it.  The ultimate bait and switch.  Do you think all those people were going to leave the store if they didn’t get one of the 10 TV’s advertised.

ANY death is one death too many.

Notice both are Black Friday incidents

“I wonder what the number would be if you added in all the possible negative things that happen at Wal-Mart on a daily basis? Stuff like parking lot muggings, theft from autos, and all the other things a crime magnet like Wal-Mart generates."~~Ken V

Arrests are imminent
Paris Beacon News , IL - 6 hours ago
Nov 28 and 29 and in both cases the victims were followed to their residences from the Paris Walmart. The male victim in the Nov. 28 incident was standing in ...~~~~~~~~~~NOTE: Here is a story that involves two seperate incidents of crime against WalMart shoppers,but it was not perpetrated at WalMart...the assailant followed the victims FROM the WalMart TO their homes, and used the excuse of asking directions as a ruse to commit robbery.This article emanates from Illinois. I HIGHLY recommend a trip to Google news to read the ENTIRE article. Just type in WalMart crime. BTW, there’s yet another,new report of an alleged shoplifter dying after being accosted and pinned down by two WalMart associates and a private citizen. South Carolina dateline on that one.

ddrb,

“against WalMart shoppers,but it was not perpetrated at WalMart...the assailant followed the victims FROM the WalMart TO their homes,”

What’s next, a person who shopped at Wal-Mart last week, robbed a bank this week, so, therefore Wal-Mart is to blame, right?  You people are going into ‘outer space’ with your goofy connections!!  How about the crime committed, when a Wal-Mart ‘security’ person stops a ‘shoplifter’ and they break a fingernail, trying to avoid being detained?  Maybe you need to borrow Ken’s ‘tin foil’ hat!!

Why has this happened? I have been treated like crap everytime I ever visit a walmart by their managers and employees. Walmart needs to stop the stupid brainwashing techniques they feed their employees and managers. Walmart overworks their managers and employees and does not care about their customers. I worked for a service company that assembled bikes for walmart. Everytime I went into a store they acted like nazis and teated me horrible. I will say this. I looked over some of the products that are being assembled by employees and they are unsafe and dangerous because they have no proper training program and the employees that are doing the work do not care because walmart does not care.  I hope alot more lawsuits come of these reasons and maybe walmart will realize that the redneck good old boy crap has to stop. Walmart has not been the same since Sam Walton passed away. He would of never let this happen. Atleast Sam cared about his customers. Now Walmart cares about shutting every small business down and letting its workers get killed because of saving a stupid dollar on black friday. Walmart makes enough money to staff its stores with security and they know it.  Walmart cannot buy this sons life back that his family has lost. See walmart cannot buy everything.

“in both cases the victims were followed to their residences from the Paris Walmart. The male victim in the Nov. 28 incident was standing “...........yet another Black Friday crime.

“in both cases the victims were followed to their residences from the Paris Walmart. The male victim in the Nov. 28 incident was standing “...........yet another Black Friday crime.

“Remember, it was not Walmart (NY) employees that stormed the retailer, it was the idiots of NY.”
Big Tex in Rogers filling in as WalMart propaganda stooge #3

“A gentleman from the south made some comment about the dining arrangements.”
Lee Marvin in The Dirty Dozen

As other mobs formed at other WalMart stores around the country and they did not kill anyone, it does not relieve WalMart for the mob they caused and allowed to form and kill Damour. The pro-WalMart propaganda slobs would have people believe that these customers were gathered at the Valley Stream WalMart store for no identifiable reason.

“I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else.”
Lily Tomlin

Jdimytai Damour 1974-2008

“If the rich could hire other people to die for them, the poor could make a wonderful living.”
Yiddish Proverb

I hope they sue the hell out of Walmart.

Mark P,

“I hope they sue the hell out of Walmart.”

It’s the ‘new’ way of getting money, without working, SUE ‘DEEP POCKETS’, instead of those who did it!!

Well,maybe"DEEP POCKETS” WalMart can review the trampling tapes and countersue their OWN shoppers."DEEP POCKETS “ SUE EMPTY POCKETS"-REDUX .But,then again, it’s not like there’s isn’t a precedent.Remember Debbie Shanks? WalMart sued to be reimbursed for insurance i.e.,subrogation from their brain damaged employee. Doesn’t that constitute making money with working by suing ? If WalMart is found to be responsible for damages and compensation to the victim’s family for the trampling death on WalMart property,who’s to say WalMart couldn’t turn around and sue their OWN shoppers to balance their ledger? And wouldn’t?

I also would like to remind you that this is not Walmarts fault.  Remember, it was not Walmart employees that stormed the retailer, it was the idiots of NY.

Big Tex in Rogers
Friday, December 05 at 09:21 AM~~~~~~~~~NOTE: So,the talking points from the talking heads who represent and/or defend WalMart have placed the responsiblity squarely on the “idiots of New York” . Ergo, if WalMArt pleads not guilty,but claims their are shoppers responsible for the death,does that make WalMart an accessory to the crime? Aiding and abetting? Harboring criminals? And,ironically, WHY would WalMart WANT to build more WalMarts in NY?Wouldn’t that,according to WalMart logic,exponentially increase the population of “idiot” shoppers ?Seems to me this incident in Long Island is an excellent argument to shutter that WalMart store,and ANY WalMart store where a mob engages in “WalMartuary Mentality”.

ddrb,

“WalMart sued to be reimbursed for insurance i.e.,subrogation”

And, they won, didn’t they?

“Doesn’t that constitute making money with working by suing?”

NO, is is recovering money paid out!!  Wal-Mart didn’t make a dime off the Debbie Shanks case!!

WalMart never offered or had a ‘health insurance’ policy with Debra Shank. Although she no doubt was lead to believe that she had a ‘health insurance’ policy through her sleazebag WalMart employer, what she actually had was the right to a ‘medical loan’ for which she was paying a monthly interest rate on the potential use of the money for medical costs. Subrogation as it was included in the ‘policy’ created a requirement to pay back the money ‘loaned’ through no fault of her own (Shank) werein insurance as a known and accepted concept does not require the policy holder to payback any money collected on insurance claims.

WalMart is scamming their people on health care in the same ‘love of money’ psychopath insanity that did insure 350,000 clerks, janitors and low wage personnel with Life Insurance policies that only WalMart ever collected on and where the WalMart employee’s family or former employee’s family received nothing.

Company Owned Life Insurance (COLI) aka ‘Dead Janitors’ or ‘Dead Peasants’ policies were illegally taken out on the lives of WalMart employees even in states were the practice was outlawed. WalMart got caught by taking out the policies in another state thinking nobody would ever find out.

Walmart was not responsible for the Deb Shanks injury, the drive who hit her car was.  Walmart paid for her medical until her family was able to collect from the person at fault.  The family, despite what they would have you believe, was informed that they would have to reimburse Walmart for coving her medical once they collected from the guilty party.  This is not a Walmart practice, this is how insurance works. 

ddrb, “if Walmart pleads not guilty”???  Why would they not plead not guilty???  They are not guilty.  The shoppers who stormed the store are guilty.  Remember, Black Friday took place at all Walmarts.  Walmart is not responsible for this death, the idiot/animalistic shoppers were.  I dont see how you cant understand this.  Its simple… You so badly want to blame things on Walmart such as shoppers being followed home.  Try using logic…

Ergo, if WalMart pleads not guilty,but claims their shoppers are responsible for the death,does that make WalMart an accessory to the crime? Aiding and abetting? Harboring criminals?Or providing the means( Black Friday Door Buster Blitz Sale) and motive(for corporate profit) for a killing that could be considered “manslaughter”?

ddrb, before I actually respond to that comment, I want to make sure you are serious… Are you???

I am especially questioning your “motive (for corporate profit)"… do you mean Walmart will profit from this Death???

WalMart profited in spite of his death,big guy. Wonder just how much the daily take ($$$) was at that Long Island WalMartuary on that fateful,"Black Friday Door Buster?”

ddrb,

“Ergo, if WalMart pleads not guilty,but claims their shoppers are responsible for the death,does that make WalMart an accessory to the crime? Aiding and abetting? Harboring criminals?Or providing the means( Black Friday Door Buster Blitz Sale) and motive(for corporate profit) for a killing that could be considered “manslaughter”?”

If a ‘bank’ gets robbed and an employee gets shot and killed by the robbers, is the bank guilty of the murder?  And, if someone said they were guilty and they pleaded ‘not guilty’, would that make the bank an accessory, by providing the means (having the bank open) and motive (wanting to make money)?  Sometime the things you say, are neither reasonable or logical!!

Go to the article above, titled “I don’t want to be here” and see what those people did, even AFTER the police arrived and tried to revive the employee and then tell us that they were acting like most ‘normal’ human beings and that Wal-Mart urged them to act that way!!

Big Tex,

Maybe the reason ddrb says what she does, is because she is just like those type of people and lacks ‘personal responsibility’ and ‘respect’ for others!!  Just the fact that she wants to ‘deprive’ employees of a job and shoppers a place to shop at ‘low prices’, may speak volumes about her thought process!!  With her, it seems more about the ‘building of a Wal-Mart store by her house and HER personal inconvenience’, than the welfare of others!!

RDS,

You...as one of WalMart’s propaganda imbeciles/trolls venturing upon “the welfare of others” and bank robbery as a pro-WalMart argument in the same post have made your best baloney sandwich to date. Your pro-WalMart ethical mentality against Americans is equivalent to giving a cigarette to a monkey.

WalMart- WHERE YOUR PAYDAY LOAN DREAM JOB BECOMES REALITY AT AMERICA’S #1 POVERTY ENGINE.

RDS, Your bank analogy is perfect for explaining this.  WMWers have been saying Walmart is responsible for this kids death because they lured these animals to their store with low prices.  Using the same argument, a bank would be responsible for having the money that lured the bank robbers.

Surely you WMWers would have to agree that it is ludicrous to say a bank is responsible for the death of a customer or employee if they are robbed.  Same for this Walmart incident.

We understand your pro-WalMart desperation Big Imbecile and the need to try and validate RDS as another WalMart propaganda slob. Predictable in seeing your WalMart aroma stink therapy coming...a week ago…

“Pro-WalMart propaganda frauds will try desperately to lead people to believe that WalMart had nothing to do with a stampede that occurred at one of their stores.”

“These are WalMart shoppers at a WalMart store who killed a WalMart (temp) employee and injured other WalMart employees due to WalMart business practices creating a WalMart stampede that put the public at risk at WalMart.”

“So far the pro-WalMart propaganda effort has sought to only blame the people who came to WalMart at the Long Island store for this stampede or the death and injuries that occurred. The interest is to claim that neither WalMart advertising, influence, the WalMart business model at large and WalMart crime magnet history or even really WalMart had anything to do with having creating a frenzy of greed developed from WalMart’s entire cut throat retail attitude.”

“Now comes the public relations effort to group dissimilar criminal activity together to dilute what WalMart is responsible for in the public eye. The pro-WalMart trolls want a shooting at Toys R Us to be seen with the same measurement as a stampede at WalMart. Toys R Us did not cause a gang related shooting in their Desert Palm store. WalMart did create conditions and evaded a duty of care to protect their employees and the public in and from a foreseeable event that WalMart itself claims they prepared for with extra personnel etc. It simply wasn’t sufficient to equal the frenzy of greed that WalMart cultivated and sought to gain from with another type of drug...the ‘love of money’ where their customers were already punch bowl drunk on ‘door busting’ indifference to what injuries will happen to others. It fits perfectly with the ‘virtues of selfishness’ philosophy that WalMart is all about at the expense of others.”

“The pro-WalMart propaganda slobs would have people believe that these customers were gathered at the Valley Stream WalMart store for no identifiable reason.”

“I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else.”
Lily Tomlin

WalMart- Talk about bank robbery instead of THE WALMART STAMPEDE OF 2008. Try and change the subject and get it off the front page.

SDV,

You are beyond belief!!  Are you for REAL or are you just trying to STIR the pot?

“These are WalMart shoppers at a WalMart store who killed a WalMart (temp) employee”

So, if the bank robbers had accounts at the bank, that would make the bank responsible, right?  Again, you overlook your own statement “Wal-Mart shoppers...who killed a Wal-Mart employee”, don’t you even REASON out what you say?

“Toys R Us did not cause a gang related shooting in their Desert Palm store.”

So, under your theory, ‘gang related’ crimes are only relevant, if they happen at a Wal-Mart store parking lot, right?  Or should blame be placed on the ‘legal system’, that allows the gangs to exist?  You sound like a ‘crime’ apologist, “We should feel sorry for the poor shoplifter”!!

“WalMart did create conditions and evaded a duty of care to protect their employees and the public in and from a foreseeable event that WalMart itself claims they prepared for with extra personnel etc.”

Do you actually believe that Wal-Mart foresaw 2000+ shoppers acting totally ‘crazy’ to the point that someone would be killed?  How do you prepare for something like that, call out the National Guard?  SALES go on every day, acting like ‘crazy’ people is not normal at a SALE and how people will act, is not always predictable!!  Thousands of stores across the country had the SAME ‘Black Friday’ sale and did not have the SAME result, this was an ‘Isolated incident’ and should be viewed as just that, sad, but people die every day, all over, not just a Wal-Mart and ‘stupidity’ is usually the cause!!

SDV, If I get hit by someone speeding to work during rush hour traffic, is my company at fault.  They created the condition that I was driving in rush hour traffic requiring me to be at work by 8am.  Actually, All employers are at fault and I should be able to sue every establishment in NWA for requiring the same of their employees.  They are creating a condition that caused me to get hit.  Surely we can not hold the person who hit me responsible… Right?

same idiotic logic you have been applying to this poor kids death.

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Thanks for the new update ddrb.  What does it have to do with this website?

RDS/Big Imbecile, what does a imaginary ‘bank robbery’ or ‘driving to work’ made up comparative bull ( “same idiotic logic you have been applying to this poor kids death.” ) have to do with the reality of the WalMart Stampede of 2008 that killed Jdimytai Damour?

“The pro-WalMart propaganda slobs would have people believe that these customers were gathered at the Valley Stream WalMart store for no identifiable reason.”

The RDS/Big Imbecile attempt at ‘logic’ goes like this…

WalMart spending $2 billion annually to whip people up into a WalMart mentality with WalMart economic morality had nothing to do with a ‘door busting’ frenzy killing a man at the Valley Stream WalMart.

The suit claims the defendants “created an atmosphere of competition and anxiety amongst the crowd that caused the crowd to surge and enter into a crowd craze” and “engaged in specific marketing and advertising techniques to specifically attract a large crowd and create an environment of frenzy and mayhem...”

You can’t yell ‘fire!!’ in a crowded movie theater because of the consequences and therefore it is illegal...but WalMart has been allowed to yell ‘fire sale!!’ and seek to evade any responsibility for their part in this stampede.

WalMart as already admitted to foreseeing this event and actually making ‘inadequate’ preparation in their own piss poor ‘duty of care’ for the public and their own employees in their self-created WalMart frenzied ‘door busting’ mania they brought to their own front door.

Big Imbecile, your effort at ‘theory’ of comparative non-logic and particular evasiveness and indifference to this WalMart Stampede of 2008 may serve you better in running over RDS in his ‘theoretical bank robbery’ with your going to work ‘theoretical tricycle’.

Big Tex,

If you want to understand how people can think the way these people do, watch Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown!!  In a case yeaterday, a woman borrowed another person’s car and while driving, wrapped the car around a pole and said she wasn’t at fault, it was the lenders fault, because the other person loaned the car to her, (In other words, she would have never gotten into the accident if the people hadn’t loaned her the car)!!  Judge Judy and the gallery couldn’t believe that she could actually say or think something as ‘stupid’ as that!!

Look at SDV, he asks, “what does a imaginary ‘bank robbery’ or ‘driving to work’ made up comparative bull ( “same idiotic logic you have been applying to this poor kids death.” ) have to do with the reality”, he doesn’t get how the things can be comparative, living in his ‘fantasy world’, because his view of ‘reality’ doesn’t accept comparative situations, which the legal system uses all the time!! 

In the Judge Judy case I mentioned, had the woman killed someone, it would be the lenders fault, not the driver’s, in SDV’s view of life!!  To him, to blame the driver, for the death, would be ‘idiotic’!!

I submit to the public that the RDS posting above is proof beyond any reasonable doubt that RDS is insane. While influenced with television programming beyond the capacity for rational thought, RDS has a projected ‘fantasy world’ view that requires other pro-WalMart mentality to join him on the idiot channel for responsibility and values infotainment.

SDV: RDS has a projected ‘fantasy world’ view that requires other pro-WalMart mentality to join him on the idiot channel for responsibility and values infotainment.
...Note: No doubt viewed on an NBC or GE affiliate channel with WalMart commercials aired every eight minutes.

SDV, I was hit by someone speeding to work last year.  Its not made up.  Happened during rush hour traffic, an atmosphere created by every company in NWA. 

So SDV, please answer my questions. 
Who was at fault? 

Should I have sued my company and others in NWA (which includes Walmart)? 

Should I have also sued the Rogers police for not doing their job of enforcing the speed limit and keeping me safe?

Hey Big Tex-

When this happened, did Walmart dock you for being late?

Fortunately I did not have a meeting with my buyer so I was not late to anything with Walmart.

My company did not dock my pay, I am not hourly.

The death of Jdimytai Damour was not an accident nor comparable to one. WalMart is being sued for negligence/recklessness/careful indifference to it’s ‘Duty of Care’ to its employees and the public in the approximate of incitement to riot ( a class E Felony in New York ).

The suit claims the defendants (WalMart) “created an atmosphere of competition and anxiety amongst the crowd that caused the crowd to surge and enter into a crowd craze” and “engaged in specific marketing and advertising techniques to specifically attract a large crowd and create an environment of frenzy and mayhem...”

In New York a business owner/operator has the ‘Duty of Care’ for the premises and the conduct of business…

§ 240.45 Criminal nuisance in the second degree.
A person is guilty of criminal nuisance in the second degree when:
1.  By conduct...unreasonable under all the circumstances, he knowingly or recklessly creates or maintains a condition which endangers the safety or health of a considerable number of persons;
Criminal nuisance in the second degree is a class B misdemeanor.

WalMart is no doubt chargeable for being and/or creating a criminal nuisance and the stampede and subsequent death of Jdimytai Damour. WalMart has been proven by studies to be a disproportionate ‘crime magnet’ for retail businesses by far...in addition to this Black Friday 2008 WalMart Stampede death.

THE REAL PROBLEM AT WALMART PUBLIC RELATIONS IS...WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO THE NEXT TIME THEY CREATE THESE CONDITIONS AND THIS ‘HAPPENS AGAIN’.

SDV,

While influenced with television programming beyond the capacity for rational thought,”

As Judge Judy, is a REAL judge, dealing with REAL cases, I think I would tend to listen to her, over YOU!!  Where did you get YOUR LAW DEGREE, that makes you such an EXPERT?

Judging by your emotions, instead of the FACTS, puts you in that ‘fantasy world’, not me!!

Here’s a hypothetical for you, if a ‘gangbanger’ shoots and kills a friend of yours standing on your property, are you at fault for the death, or is the ‘gangbanger’?  Who do you think the police will arrest?

WalMart/Bentonville corporate ‘love of money’ psychopath gangbanger slobs are not friends of mine. So if one of them were shot and killed on my property, I would hope the police would arrest you for thinking that someone should be at fault.

At first I was serious about your insane advocacy of televised hick justice and then I was only joking about the AHN (Arkansas Hillbilly Network) and the Springdale Idiot Channel where you get your legal advise from Judge Judy. By any chance RDS, were you the one who crashed into the Big Imbecile on his way to work last year?

SDV: The buggy was a total loss to RDS, but his “high horse” remains intact.

SDV,

“So if one of them were shot and killed on my property, I would hope the police would arrest you for thinking that someone should be at fault.”

Is that another of your great legal thoughts?  That NOBODY would be at fault, except someone who might think the ‘gang banger’ was!!

“By any chance RDS, were you the one who crashed into the Big Imbecile on his way to work last year?”

Couldn’t have been me, I haven’t been involved in a car accident in 45 years!!  And, I surely didn’t hit “the Big Imbecile’, because that would be YOU!!

SDV, I was hit by someone speeding to work last year.  Its not made up.  Happened during rush hour traffic, an atmosphere created by every company in NWA. 

So SDV, please answer my questions. 
Who was at fault? 

Should I have sued my company and others in NWA (which includes Walmart)? 

Should I have also sued the Rogers police for not doing their job of enforcing the speed limit and keeping me safe?

Big Tex in Rogers
Wednesday, December 10 at 10:08 AM

So SDV, I take it you do not want to answer my questions above because you dont like the answers.  Right?  Feel free to man-up and answer these.

Big Tex,

“Feel free to man-up and answer these.”

You can’t expect someone who thinks like a CHILD, to man-up!!

To ALCON:  With over 1000 customers congregated at Valley Stream Wal-Mart’s doors, it was a store manager’s responsibility to MANAGE the orderly entry of the store on a special sale day i.e. Black Friday.  Who is directly responsible for this mishap? Rapacious consumers.  Who is also clearly responsible for managing a situation that could not be clearly forseen a week prior but could be assessed prior to 6 a.m. that morning?  Wal-Mart’s management at the Wal-mart site, as they “prepared” (using the term loosely) to let this enormous mob into their store. 

Wal-Mart’s heartless profiteering and contempt for the well-being of consumers and workers is only indirectly relevant here.  It is about managing store operations that affect hundreds of people at any time.  The fact that $2 million for wrongful death wouldn’t even put a wrinkle in the Walton family’s $95 billion is also not germaine to the issue--but makes an interesting sidebar. 

Where was the extra security that Wal-Mart claims to have brought in on that shift?  Apparently nowhere near the main entrance.  Most likely this security in place had nothing to do with traffic control and was only there to police up shoplifters.  Wouldn’t want to lose a single dollar in profits, now, would we?

This is not comparable to a randomly located traffic accident.  The orderly entering of the store was completely within the ability and the responsibility of the store management to at least attempt to control.  When the captain screws up managing his company, his colonel at the battalion also shoulders the responsibility, even if he’s not directly culpable.  The organization (WalMart) should be held accountable for its lower level manager mismanaging this event.

philbert85,

“it was a store manager’s responsibility to MANAGE the orderly entry of the store”

Just HOW does a manager “MANAGE the orderly entry” of a mob, that tore the doors off, the building?

“but could be assessed prior to 6 a.m. that morning?”

So, do you expect a manager of a store, to arrange for say 20 armed guards in full ‘riot gear’ at 5 a.m. when they saw a crowd growing?  That is what it would take the police, to control a mob of 1,000 stampedeing ‘lunatics’!!

Why were 1,000 stampedeing lunatic there.......for the coffee and doughnuts?

Walmart has culpability, as it was their advertising that attracted the crowd.  They expected a crowd, maybe not as big as it was but the biggest one of the year anyway.  If the mob was THAT unruly DON’T OPEN THE STORE!  The store holds all the cards, if they don’t open the store and the crowd “tears the doors off the building”, then the blame goes entirely on the mob.  Unfortunately, all the bickering done by either side of this argument will not bring this young man back.  THAT IS THE REAL TRAGEDY.  Everything is merely a sidebar.

Wal-Mart start paying,

“The store holds all the cards, if they don’t open the store and the crowd “tears the doors off the building”, then the blame goes entirely on the mob.”

Not on this site, it wouldn’t, they would have blamed Wal-Mart for NOT allowing shoppers in!!  And, how come, if they tear the doors off, they are to blame, but if they only ‘kill’ someone, they aren’t?  And, if they really believed that someone was going to be ‘killed’, I’m sure they wouldn’t have opened the doors, would you?

I think that that is obvious because of the fact that they closed the doors that day on the busiest shopping day of the year.

Dave-

As a man lay dying, bargain hunters rushed by

Witnesses to Black Friday trampling recall out-of-control mob at Wal-Mart

By ERIKA HAYASAKI
Los Angeles Times

NEW YORK—He took his last breath on the floor at Wal-Mart, between the soda machines and a device that gives change for cans and plastic.

Trampled by a mob of bargain-hungry Black Friday shoppers, Jdimytai Damour, 34, died by asphyxiation, leaving people across the world asking: Why, and how?

Audio-enhanced chatter captured on a cell-phone video posted on YouTube, along with interviews with witnesses, offers a hint.

The video shows a police officer crouching by a 6-foot-5-inch, 270-pound man lying at the entrance of the Long Island Wal-Mart. A paramedic pumps the man’s chest so forcefully his limp legs and feet joggle. Shoppers peer from behind glass doors or stand a few feet away, hands in pockets.

“They need to shock him,” a voice says.

The paramedic stops pumping. The man’s shirt has been pulled to his neck, revealing his large belly. A woman in the crowd mutters, “Pregnant.”

Another cracks a joke.

The women laugh.

The trouble at Wal-Mart began well before the sun rose on Nov. 28, the day after Thanksgiving.

Just after 1 a.m., Jennifer Jones, 25, and her niece, Alicia Sgro, 14, joined the 200 or so early shoppers in front of the Valley Stream store, 20 miles east of Manhattan.

Jones wanted the 32-inch plasma flat-screen TV, on sale for $388. Sgro hoped to pick up DVDs, on sale for $2 to $9. The couple in front of them wanted the $25 microwave. The guy behind wanted the $5 blender. By the time Nakea Augustine showed up at 3:15 a.m., the line had grown to 1,000 people.

A 59-year-old man, whom co-workers call “Pop Pop,” was stationed in front of the store. At 5 feet 11 inches and more than 200 pounds, Pop Pop had worked as a door guard for Wal-Mart for seven months.

Until three weeks ago, he had been assigned front-door duty, checking customers’ receipts. He moved to back-door duty after getting fed up with rude customers.

But on Black Friday, Pop Pop agreed to stand in front again, next to a set of doors away from the crowd, where customers would be leaving. Three men worked with him, including Damour.

Pop Pop, who was afraid to give his full name, remembered Damour telling him, “I don’t want to be here.”

He figured Damour meant he didn’t feel like being at work.

Across the entrance lobby, eight men, younger than Pop Pop, guarded the door closest to the crowd. Pop Pop remembered someone telling Damour to move to that side.

(Cont..)

(Cont....)

‘It got scary out of nowhere’

By 3:30 a.m., the crowd had grown to 2,000. The line heaved and swayed. Above their heads, people passed a plastic shopping cart from hand to hand, like at a rock concert.

Someone yelled: “Tickets!”

Someone else yelled: “Psych!"-- as in “psyched you out.”

People became enraged. The line disintegrated into a chaotic cluster.

“It got scary out of nowhere,” Augustine recalled. “The crowd in the back just pushed.”

Someone yanked Augustine’s pocketbook off her shoulder and ripped the side of her leather coat.

A woman with a pierced lip pushed Jones, who said back to her: “We can’t move!” She felt someone punch her left temple. The force knocked off her glasses.

Sgro fell to the ground; her right arm was broken. She called her mother, Therese, telling her, “We were attacked.”

Her mother called 911, and raced to the scene with her husband, Robert Sgro, a firefighter. They got there when police arrived. Therese Sgro told an officer, “Can’t you see the crowd is out of control?”

She said he replied sarcastically: “I’m surprised we haven’t heard gunshots yet.”

Police stayed about a half-hour. Jones and the Sgros left. Meanwhile, Augustine was in line, struggling to breathe. Wal-Mart workers kept yelling at the crowd: “Move back four feet!”

No one did.

In years past, Augustine remembered, the crowd consisted of about 700 people. Nothing like this.

Shoppers shatter glass door

Shortly before 5 a.m., an announcement came over store intercom: “Doors are about to open in the next five minutes.”

The crowd counted down: “Five, four, three, two, one!”

A worker inside slowly opened the door. Everyone pushed from all directions. They knocked the door off its hinges. A worker tried to use it as a shield, but the glass shattered.

The crowd ran right into the soda machines. Pop Pop and others darted to the side where Damour had been, and held the machines in place as the crowd surged forward.

Pop Pop didn’t see Damour anymore.

Augustine tried to keep her balance as she was pushed forward. She saw people fall and knew she had to keep moving lest she fall, too. One woman had cuts from the glass across her face. Augustine saw Damour sprawled out. She managed not to step on him.

Durell George, 26, who works in Internet sales, heard people screaming and jumped out of their way. A woman in a long coat fell, but others pulled her to the customer-service section. George went to see if she was all right.

Augustine kept going, down jam-packed aisles, still moving with the crowd, still heading to the deals. She raced for the toy section and snatched up a bike, a dollhouse, and 10 Hannah Montana dolls for $5 apiece.

Two hours later, Augustine checked out, just as the store announced it was closing. She got in line and spent $495 on 36 items. She had no idea what became of the man who had fallen to the ground.

Word eventually spread through the employees that Damour was dead. Paramedics took his body away and police declared the area a crime scene. Pop Pop joined other workers in a prayer.

Nearly a week after Damour’s death, candles burned next to photos of him atop an altar near the spot at Wal-Mart where he died.

People wrote in a condolence book:

“So sorry that people did this to a young and honest hardworking gentleman.”

“You damn animals, there was no reason to rush in like a herd of cattle and kill an innocent young man.”

“Jdimytai is an angel and he’s not doing maintenance anymore.”

On Monday, a coroner ruled that Damour died of suffocation. On Wednesday, his family filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against Wal-Mart.

By Thursday, life at the store had mostly returned to normal.

Pop Pop came outside for a cigarette break, standing steps from where it all happened.

“To me, that boy got killed over $100, for a TV,” he said. “When you see somebody on the ground, you just don’t step on them and keep going. ... That’s somebody’s life.”

For nearly two hours that night, Damour’s altar was mostly ignored. Shoppers rushed by without stopping or looking. They were too busy getting to the deals.

Dave-

Note the woman who shopped for TWO HOURS.......THEN checked out...........THEN DECLARED A CRIME SCENE.

They didn’t close out of choice...it was a crime scene...THEY WERE FORCED TO CLOSE.

Check out the news reports, they are all over the internet, the store was reopened by 1:00 that afternoon.

After all it WAS the “busiest shopping day of the year.”