Illinois Doctors Warn Against In-Store Clinics

Why would doctors and the medical society be opposed to competition from low cost medical clinics at Wal-Mart? Well, why are labor unions opposed to competition from non-union workers? Why are US companies demanding tariffs and special protection from foreign competition? Why does the AMA demand “licensing” and why does it control who will be permitted to work in the medical field?

All these questions have simple answers: to protect their incomes. The AMA complained decades ago that there would be too many doctors (why is that a problem?) and so they convinced the government to let them control med schools and licensing. This is no different than giving Target the only license to operate a retail store and then giving Target the power to decide what companies will be permitted to open stores, what they can sell and how much they can make. As we found out from experience, not only was the AMA’s fear of competition overblown, but now we have a doctor shortage. Doctors finishing their residencies have at least 50 job offers each and average doctor earnings have topped $250,000 due to lack of competition.

Do we want “corporate style” medicine? Well, yes! We WANT competition! We want service for fee care and we want the lower prices and better service that come with a free market!

Cry a river for highly paid and competition protected doctors. BOO HOO.

How come you guys are against me getting health care at an affordable cost? Why can’t I pay cheaper fees and accept the risk? At least WM can keep the lines short and the costs low. Can you imagine if the govt ran health care? OMG.

We want corporate style medicine because they have a philosophy..the customer is right… not the govt.

Go ahead, let this happen and let WM compete with Govt run health care. Try it… on a pilot basis and see who: 1) gets the most customers and 2) can hire the best doctors.

Again, politicians are in politics because they are too stupid to make it in the real world and couldn’t even get hired in liberal universities.

I thought that Walmart supporters in the United States were happy with their medical system???
I guess they really are not.

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Alex,

“Can you imagine if the govt ran health care? OMG. ~ Evil Conservative”

Does that sound like something a person who is unhappy with our present system?  There is nothing wrong with trying to make it better though!!

At least WM can keep the lines short...

You talk about pulling one out of left field. What is there in anyone’s experience to indicate that Wal-Mart can keep lines short?

The AMA is afraid to death of Wal-Mart. The banking industry is afraid to death of Wal-Mart. The UFCW is afraid to death of Wal-Mart.

What do all these groups have in common, besides fear of Wal-Mart? Well, they control the Social Democrat party and they have, thus far, been able to bribe and manipulate certain politicians to protect themselves from competition.

They do not want a free market because a consumer with choice is a difficult and inconvenient proposition. Why should the AMA have to compete for patients? Why should the banks have any competition? Why should workers get the right to vote on whether or not they want to join the UFCW? Shouldn’t government just protect these groups from Wal-Mart? The next thing you know, they might have to change their ways and, God forbid, COMPETE with quality service and COMPETITIVE prices.

That’s just not FAIR!

Ken V,

“What is there in anyone’s experience to indicate that Wal-Mart can keep lines short?”

Guess you have never had to wait to see a doctor at an ER or clinic, have you?

Wal-Mart is losing its FOCUS here. K-Mart lost its focus some years ago and look what happened to them. They owned a few other companies, (I don’t remember which ones), AND it took their focus off of their department store. They eventually had to sell them all and CONCENTRATE on
K-Mart. And now look at them. K-Mart is a shell of what it used to be.
Wal-Mart lost its FOCUS a while ago and it bombed. They tried to sell upscale clothing, etc. They tried to go after Target’s market and IT DIDN’T WORK! While I am not a fan of Sam Walton, he at least kept the store focused. He was only concerned with running his department store. Sam NEVER would have put clinics in his stores. Clinics would have taken the focus off of the department store. Sam KNEW WHO HIS CUSTOMERS WERE.
The Wal-Mart of today is trying to be everything to everybody. When are they FINALLY going to learn that it will never work?

You all are assuming that the price will be low,Wal-Mart is only doing this to help increase foot traffic they do not have medical license therefore they will have nothing to do with it Drs. will run them and charge the same as your regular Drs. do at least that is the way it is here.

I can not see Wal-Mart paying our giving a deduction on the bill unless they leave you use discount card which on and average would be $10.00

Affordable, Accessible and pt focused care is what people need and want.  Nurse Practitioners can do that and do it well.  Nurse practitioner are highly trained and very educated.  Nurse practitioner are an excellent health care providers.

Affordable, Accessible and pt focused care is what people need and want.  Nurse Practitioners can do that and do it well.  Nurse practitioner are highly trained and very educated.  Nurse practitioner are an excellent health care providers.

At the moment I am not sure if this is good or bad for WM.

However Nick is correct relative to AMA and others in regards to licensing professions.  The unions control most counties, try and get an electrical license or plumbing license in those counties if you are not union.  The same as the Bar Association controls the lawyers-- that is why I have to always becareful of my activities.

Back to the AMA—doctors do not look to alternative ways of healing, nor do the medial schools teach as such.  For years I have followed the results of Essiac Tea and its success, but do you hear of it from Doctors?  No!

Thus I started a Christian Ministry to help those with primarily cancer get started on the Essiac Tea and the results prove it works.  I charge nothing for the start up, after that one can buy from the supplier.  One man with prostrate cancer started feeling better in three days.
It will give you the “runs” for a day or so.

I have to add:  perhaps some on here should take, and it might clean out their system and they wouldn’t be so full of it.

Sage,

“Back to the AMA—doctors do not look to alternative ways of healing, nor do the medial schools teach as such.”

Sure, they don’t want alternative ways of healing, how much can they make if you treat yourself at home?  I believe that doctors keep people just on the edge of healthy, so you have to keep returning.  I am 63 years old and haven’t been to a doctor in about 40 years, because I take care of my self, but, I have known many people who go to doctors and they are sick ten times more than I am, (I hardly ever get sick).  And, it seems every time someone goes to the doctor, they come out with a prescription in hand, why is that?  And, now, they even tell people on TV, to ask their doctor about this medicine or that one, so that you can get even more prescriptions!!

Think about this, why is ‘Natural Childbirth’ at home, not considered ‘Natural’ anymore?  For a period of time, ‘C Section’ was the new ‘Natural Childbirth’, because it fit better into the doctors schedule!!

Jane,

Let’s get the record straight—WM is not actively “running” these clinics—they are simply leasing-out the space within their stores (much as they do for Subway or McDonald’s).

That said, what “focus” is there to lose?

JB

Clinics may be alright, but the bottom line is, if you go to one run by Wal mart you will go into the store and spend money.  Thats the bottom line.  Otherwise, their insurance for the employees is a farce.  That will never change, and as for some of the conditions, yes, they need a union.  Since Sam died, Wal mart has gone to the dogs.  The jury is still out on the clinics, if anything bad does happen, you can bet the blame will be on someone else.

WalMart is already operating an insanity clinic for their own PR efforts subcontracted as the Edelman blogger fraud group in the Bentonville ‘war room’ to treat themselves for sick culture fraud creations. We can only hope they keep the door locked to keep these mentally deranged blogger frauds from wandering out into the parking lot/vomit garden.

Reports indicate that WalMart pays Edelman $10,000,000 per year to keep these loons at the ‘war room’ clinic. Mental health expects note that WalMart admits to the existence of the insanity ward and the cost but won’t allow patients to openly identify themselves as part of their treatment.

The insane blogger frauds insist that WalMart is not actively “running” the clinic and that nobody there actually gets paid. Apparently smoking is allowed inside the facility and the patients proclaim that smoking does not cause any known health problems according to facility adminisrator Bob McAdam formerly of Altria (Philip Morris) fame.

Since the patients are there on a hobbyist volunteer basis they are either silently funded by other groups in a corporate propaganda welfare scheme or live in abject poverty as trolls would underground similar to the new Bruce Gabbard residential arrangement.

It would also seem that the only food allowed into the clinic are imported Guatemalan insanity peppers and Cheetos for patients to throw at each other. Additionally, the only productivity output from the facilty is fraud, insanity and delusional claims about “associate” benefits and their unsurpassed happiness levels.

WalMart- Mental health is spying paranoia on our “associates”. Wait until Mona Williams opens a new mental health clinic minute branch for former “associates” over in public relations.

Sage is dead on target here. The AMA runs the medical industry in this country. Forget all the talk about insurance companies, etc. It is the doctors who control health care technologies, access, cost, quality and education. The AMA runs all the med schools and they teach Allopathic medicine, which is medicine that treats the symptom only. There are also Osteopathic med schools but they have a poor reputation, get the students rejected from allopathic med schools and can’t get their students into decent clinical rotations. There are the natural healers, who seem like kooks at first glance but are actually on to something. Our bodies react badly to medicine. Once you start down the prescription drug path, forever will it dominate your destiny! We need more natural healing. Giving people drugs to stop one sympton creates side effects that sometimes do more damage than the affliction the drugs were supposed to stop. Doctors mix up dosages, give out the wrong medications, kill tens of thousands of people per year through poor treatment, etc.

As Sage said, Natural treatments are best for your body but you will never hear of them because the AMA wants to protect its monopoly. Imagine the entire Oncology business disappearing because of some tea! I don’t put too much faith in modern medicine. They can’t keep you alive and once they get you on one medication, you never stop with some type of medicine in your life.

“If smoking caused cancer, wouldn’t every single person who ever smoked get cancer?”
Nick in
Monday, May 07 at 07:39 PM

http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/wal_mart_considers_sourcing_yet_more_products_from_overseas/#comments

“Forget all the talk about insurance companies, etc.”

This illustrates why some of WalMart’s public relations and propaganda problems are self-induced.
Nick is an imbecile with pretentious medical and economic drivel disorder. A boresome mental miget twiddler with vapor lock and internet access.

WalMart- Well...we pay him just like we did EllisW.

Nick,

You and Sage are so right.

“which is medicine that treats the symptom only”

As the symptom is usually the body reacting to a real problem, to mask that symptom is to ignore the problem and actually work against the bodies defense mechanisms!!  Example: A runny nose, is the body ejecting waste material from the battle of the immune system fighting a cold, to prevent that, is to work against the body trying to cure you.

“Our bodies react badly to medicine.”

As our bodies have a ‘Natural’ immune system, medication can counteract that system, causing side effects, which require a doctor to prescribe another or additional medication.

“Once you start down the prescription drug path, forever will it dominate your destiny”

SDV is an example of what can happen when someone over uses drugs, they can cause you to hallucinate or drive you to paranoia!!

Golly I am so delighted that SDV got in his usual imbecilic exhortation.  But what a sec, SDV can’t be an imbecile as that belongs to Bob, Nick, I, etal.

Nick and Bob at times I take exception to what you post and have so written—however to give credit where credit is due, you are both right on the bulls-eye.  I the same as Bob has written, have not seen a Doctor in close to 40 years.

I have books and so many papers on natural healings, but the “associations ??” won’t let it get out.  However I intend on enjoying good health until the Lord has my harp and cloud ready and calls me to my eternal home.

Sage,

Thanks for the credit, but it is not me, it is all just ‘common sense’!!  It doesn’t make much sense, to put something in your body, that is not natural.  I take no drugs of any kind, except an asprin occasionally, but very occasionally.

I know you don’t always agree with everything I say, but it usually comes from ‘common sense’ and while I seem harsh at times, I believe in the fact that everyone has to EARN their way through life.  I know that everyone is not equal, but it is the trying that is important!!  If you at least TRY, most people will respect and reward you for it.  But, if you sit around and whine, you won’t get much respect at all!!  Take for example, those who complain about the ‘company cheer’ or the smocks, those things are meant to bring people together as a team, so, if you complain about them, it shows that you don’t want to be part of the team and why should you be rewarded for complaining?

Common sense, says you will get better results from positive feedback, than negative feedback, that’s why I like your ‘In house’ idea, if a group of people representing the other employees were to approach management with positive ideas which benefit both the employees and the company, I think they would start to listen, but, if you approach management in a manner where you tell them, “We want a say in what goes on here”, that negative approach will be shot down on the spot.  What’s the old saying, “You can catch more flies with honey, than vinegar”!!

“If smoking caused cancer, wouldn’t every single person who ever smoked get cancer?”
Nick in
Monday, May 07 at 07:39 PM

“If smoking causes cancer...”
Bob in
Monday, May 07 at 09:33 PM

“Nick and Bob at times I take exception to what you post…
...you are both right on the bulls-eye.  I the same as Bob has written, have not seen a Doctor in close to 40 years.”
The Sage in
Wednesday, May 09 at 02:07 PM

“Though I agree that cigarettes, in my opinion are BAD for health, I still believe in the free enterprise system.”
The Sage in
Friday, March 23 at 11:26 AM

You are double minded - 1 Cor. 6: 19-20
19 What! know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Glorify Jesus with a cigarette? Or 1 Tim. 6: 10 -

“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

Free enterprise including murder by a ‘product’ that has but one purpose-

I repeat this background material from you health experts
on smoking since you now make proclamations about iatrogenic medical practices in the United States.

Why don’t you three quacks open a Mexican minute clinic for cancer treatment in Tijuana? Then you could worship WalMart in Spanish with a picture of Steve McQueen on the wall. Sell cuban cigars in the front office with Rush on the radio and corpse disposal out back in the alley.

WalMart- Now providing medical PR guano from our ‘war room’ specialists. Our parking lots will become vomit gardens in our new medical coverage program for our “associates”. They don’t need actual health insurance or any of that genuine medical school stuff.

Hey, with these new Walmart walk-in clinics are they going to provide abortion services at always low prices?
Just curious,

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SDV,

Nice job of pontificating and bible quotes, but where is your answer to the question: “If smoking caused cancer, wouldn’t every single person who ever smoked get cancer?”!!

We all agree that smoking is ‘bad for your health’, but disagree with the fact that smoking CAUSES cancer!!  The fact that not all smokers get cancer and that non smokers also get cancer makes us take pause at pointing the finger totally at smoking!!

“You are double minded - 1 Cor. 6: 19-20
19 What! know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.”

But, smoking and injecting dope are not defiling the body, right?  And, pushing prescription pills in your mouth isn’t either, right?  How about eating food that has a shelf life of 50 years?  And, in California, what is that ‘smog’ anyway, is it safe to breath that stuff?  Talk about being double minded!!

Hey, with these new Walmart walk-in clinics are they going to provide abortion services at always low prices?
Just curious,

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Rudy G in NY

Excellent question Rudy G.  I wonder if we shoud direct your question to Someone.
I believe that is was suggested by Someone that abortion is a preferable choice to a single mother vs. expecting Walmart [and other employers] to pay higher wages.
Wouldn’t this be handy for ‘Someone’s business model’?

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