Question Answered:

““Some suppliers will have no choice: either supply Wal-Mart goods while not raising prices and wait to die or raise the prices and court death.””

There is a third choice, cut costs in other areas and streamline production, to cover increased costs of raw materials!!  In other words, make your business more efficient!!

There is a third choice, cut costs in other areas...

quality fade: the deliberate and secret habit of widening profit margins through a reduction in the quality of materials.

...make your business more efficient!!

Which brings us back to Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart’s sales have risen exponentially while their profit margin has contracted. In other words, Bentonville works harder and harder for less and less.

That’s not efficient.

Tell me, RDS, after you’ve squeezed out all the inefficiencies, and after you’ve ‘streamlined’ as much as possible, then what?

Live Better In Cheap Underwear

I imagine Walmart’s short term goal is to put competitors such as Pet Smart and Linen’s and Things out of business.

That is where true domination begins.

Ken V,

“Tell me, RDS, after you’ve squeezed out all the inefficiencies, and after you’ve ‘streamlined’ as much as possible, then what?”

There are two kinds of people, those who say, “You can’t do any better” and those who say “There’s always a better way”, the former group ‘settles’ and the latter group ‘moves forward’ towards progress!!  Funny, how everytime you say, “It doesn’t get any better than this”, someone comes along with a ‘better idea’!!  It has to do with things called “Innovation’ and ‘Vision’, which apparently, you lack!!

“There’s always a better way”

That’s all very good in the idealism of Lalaland, but in the real world you can expend more effort in the pursuit of “a better way” than it’s worth. The Law of Diminishing Returns is fairly clear on that point.

P&G;will supply Wal-Mart with “basically no profit”.

Will one of you business-types please explain this to me? What’s the point? I thought business was all about profit! I’d rather go fishing than do business for “basically no profit”.

Live Better In Cheap Underwear

P & G will raise there price to the little man, like Mom &POP;Stores if there are any left.K-Mart Target will also absorb some of the cost

For your INFO RDS P & G have closed factories Offices as much as they can, there Stock is going down at one time it was over $100.00

Excuse the spelling and grammar I do not know were I am about now

Just stop in for a laugh

Lies and Audiotape: Morgan Chase Exec Brags Bailout Is for Takeovers, Restructuring, Not Lending

Executive Intelligence Review
October 30, 2008

In an internal bank conference call last week, a JP Morgan Chase executive, unaware that his conversation would be heard and published by a reporter, confirmed exactly what has been said about the Hank Paulson bail-out: It has nothing remotely to do with extending lending to the U.S. economy, but is concerned with the Mussolini-like corporatist restructuring of the U.S. banking system, turning over the “smaller banks” to the totally bankrupt big banks, so that they can digest the smaller banks’ assets, and survive perhaps a few more weeks.

New York Times reporter Joe Nocera obtained the call-in phone number on which the Oct. 17 Morgan Chase conference call took place, only 4 days after JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon had agreed to take $25 billion in a U.S. government capital injection. In an article in the Oct. 25 Times, entitled “So When Will Banks Give Loans?” Nocera quoted the unnamed JP Morgan Chase executive who gave the conference call, as follows:

“Twenty-five billion dollars is obviously going to help the folks who are struggling more than Chase,” he began. “What we do think it will help us do, is perhaps be a little bit more active on the acquisition side, or opportunistic side, for some banks who are still struggling. And I would not assume that we are done on the acquisition side, just because of the Washington Mutual and Bear Stearns mergers. I think there are going to be some great opportunities for us to grow in this environment, and I think we have an opportunity to use that $25 billion in that way. And obviously depending on whether recession turns into depression or what happens in the future, you know, we have that as a backstop.” [emphasis added]

Later during the call, the executive showed what a fig-leaf is Paulson’s claim that the capital injection part of the bail-out plan would start up lending to the economy. The executive explained “loan dollars are down significantly.” He added, “We would think that loan volume will continue to go down as we continue to tighten credit to fully reflect the high cost of pricing on the loan side.”~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ken v,

“The Law of Diminishing Returns is fairly clear on that point.”

That’s only if you continue to do business exactly the same way, with NO changes!!

“Will one of you business-types please explain this to me? What’s the point? I thought business was all about profit! I’d rather go fishing than do business for “basically no profit”.”

I’d like to explain it to you, but you wouldn’t understand it, because of your way of thinking!!  It has to do with the ‘loss leader’ concept, restructuring, the fact that material costs fluctuate or using reformulation (New & Improved)!!  So, you would be better off ‘going fishing’, than trying to go into business again!!

Wallstreet,

“For your INFO RDS P & G have closed factories Offices as much as they can, there Stock is going down at one time it was over $100.00.”

They may have closed factories and offices in the U.S., but, they can lower costs by moving some operations offshore!!  Better check your charts again, P&G;has never been over $100.00 a share (their highest was $75.00 and they are at $64.00 now), but the whole market has been down this past year!!  And their stock price has been rising steadily since 1970 (except this past year)!!

RDS you dd not do your Google search far enough back, I think it was 2004 or 2003 that P&G;was trading around $105.00

By your post you are in favor of Companies to move off shore so we can have lower prices?

When the down turn started they sold off there Ivorydale plant that is were all the soaps are made and jobbed out to Canada. That is the original plant that Proctor & Gamble started by making Candles then Soap

Who cares about the little bastards at Ivorydale when we can make a few more pennies per item exporting more American jobs. Money does not give a crap about national or patriotic interests. Screw em!! And the more Chinese wage slaves we get manufacturing our crap the more we can fund communism. So drop dead America.

Wallstreet,

I was going by the stock chart since 1970!!  But, it makes no difference, many stocks go up or down, based on economic conditions and do not always reflect the health of the company!!  On any given day, a whole sector may go down, even though all companies may not be doing badly!!

“By your post you are in favor of Companies to move off shore so we can have lower prices?”

No, I am not in favor of companies moving operations offshore, I just mentioned it as ONE of the ways they can cut costs!!  If labor pushes the costs to a range that makes it impossible to sell products, other means must be initiated to stay in business!!

“When the down turn started”

You hit the problem on the head, the plant in Ivorydale was closed due to the downturn, not because Wal-Mart refused to accept higher prices!!  Companies have to deal with economic downturns, while labor tends to only want wages to stay stable or rise, very seldom does labor engage in ‘givebacks’, unless a company is going under!!  Wal-Mart, by wanting prices to stay ‘low’, is trying to avoid adding to the inflation spiral!!  Rising prices, affect the whole economy, through the process of ‘compounding’!!

If Obama wins, Walmart will benefit more than any other business.

Warren Buffet: “There is class warfare in this country, and my class is winning.”

Altering the progressive income tax rates and restoring the estate tax and removing the tax breaks on capital gains and inheritance is not “socialism”.

That’s what is so nice about useful idiots they will repeat anything that they are fed even if they have no idea what they are talking about.

Socialism is the state controlling the means of production. We have two good examples: Sarah Palin enhanced the socialist policy in Alaska where the state (which owns the oil and gas deposits) requires the private firms to pass on some of the profits to the people in the form of an annual check. That is the same people who constitute the “state” which owns the resources.

The other is the recent take over of several big banks, insurance firms and mortgage lenders by the government. That is the GOP run government has “socialized” these firms.

Changing the tax structure is not socialism, get a clue.

Hi All!
Here’s a link to a pretty well done article on the US economy. It’s very short and REALLY gets to the point. It is un-biased, and not political. I would love for all the opposing parties on this board read it and give some feedback.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0810/gallery.five_measures/index.html

Altering the progressive income tax rates and restoring the estate tax and removing the tax breaks on capital gains and inheritance is not “socialism”.

But the nationalization of the financial institutions of this country by a Republican administration is “socialism”.

“The free market for all intents and purposes is dead in America.” Senator Jim Bunning, (R) Kentucky

Hi robertdfeinman in Long Island, NY,
Warren Buffet and his ilk at at the very heart of the ecconomic problems with the United States. Among the very first to coin the term “US Service Economy” and since the late 90’s at the forefront in outsourcing the Service.

Shane in Las Vegas
How’s housing doing out there?
I’m sure it’s boring.

Socialism:
“Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.”

So, yes, the government take over ownership of Freddie, Fannie, AIG and taking effective control of a number of banks is socialism. Alaska owning the natural resources and paying the residents based upon production is also socialism, even when private firms do the drilling and processing.

One of the major accomplishments of the GOP in the past few decades is to turn meanings of words on their head. This is nothing new which is why Orwell coined the term “newspeak” for this technique. What is new is the degree to which the GOP has pushed the technique using all the techniques of modern mass media to get their message out.

It still seems to be working, judging by the useful idiots on this site who parrot terms they don’t even understand.

Hi All!

ddrb, Larry, RDS, Screwed, Onward Christian Soldiers, and Walmart moms, etc.

It’s hard to believe that tomorrow is election day! Things for the average Joe have been getting worse and worse for a very long time. The scary thing is that many of the companies that are responsible for the Nation’s problems did their dirty work with money that we all gave them by way of our 401K’s, etc. Sam Walton and his Evil Spawn have been laughingly quoted that “Americans vote with their wallets”. Well I say that its pretty hard to vote with an empy wallet! In this time of economic chaos Wal*Mart stock is holding up well. You see the company is designed to thrive on American Misery.... Think about that for a minute....  so if you are Warren Buffit or mega-rich you will not be feeling any pain. If you work for a living, well, your just going to have to keep working. Hopefully, starting tomorrow, America can start looking forward to a brighter future, which, as an American I say is well deserved. There’s no better place to live and no better people than Americans.

Proctor and Gamble should be applauded for holding their ground. Where would Wal*Mart be if they lost a very large portion of their venders? Wal*Mart has led the way way in forcing manufacturers to send jobs overseas.

Many people have quoted the “misery index” as the measure of strength in the US economy for many decades. I’ve been looking for a better way to view the REAL economy for a while. I present to you once again the link to a very insightful article on CNN Money. It is short, to the point and speaks volumes.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0810/gallery.five_measures/index.html

Good Luck Everybody!

Bobby’s Ghost: Glad to see you back at one of your former “haunts”! How about if the VENDORS form a union?

Hi ddrb,
I think that the Venders have a union. It’s been referred to by the left and right as “Corporate America”. These are the geniouses who brought us the sound economic concept of having workers fired and then asked to train their off-shore replacements.
This being said, with savings extinct, a massive credit crunch and a looming recession. These same venders will be looking for the American workers to bail them out as they have time after time. Hopefully they have learned from the extream short sightedness of the last 12+ years. If they haven’t then they need to step aside for brand new companies to take their place. Companies that have seen what Wal*Mart has done to America.

BTW, make sure you check out the article that I posted. It does a great job summing things up.

Happy, Happy!

ddrb, Larry, RDS, Screwed, Onward Christian Soldiers, and Walmart moms, etc.

Again sorry about my spelling.

One thing that I would like to add is that whoever wins tomorrows (and upcoming) elections is that America needs a BRAND NEW Small Business Administration.

One thing that both Ronald Reagan as well as Bill Clinton got right was encouraging people to start small businesses. When Reagan got into office nobody had ever heard of Apple or Microsoft. Maybe not the best examples. One thing that struck me about McCains campaign was his example of “Joe the Plumber” to reflect small businesses in America. My advice to Joe is don’t start a small business until you actually learn about starting and running a small business and most importantly, GET A GOOD ACCOUNTANT!!!

I couldn’t believe the BS about the tax code and “Joe the Plumber”. McCain showed that he is either completely uninformed about small business and/or that he believes that aspiring small business owners and the rest of Americans are uniformed about small business in general. Under Bush the SBA has been horribly run. Senator Snowe of Maine should be run out of office!

FEMA? Don’t even get me started… abismal!!!
FEMA and the SBA are two government agencies that need a good spanking! It would appear that no one in either of these agencies has ever heard of logistics.

Re-Creating these two agencies should be top priorities in the first 100 days for the next President of the United States. We’ve had eight years to see how NOT to run them.

Bobby,

The main problem is how a person LOOKS at things, often referred to as “The glass half empty or half full”!!

“Sam Walton and his Evil Spawn have been laughingly quoted that “Americans vote with their wallets”. Well I say that its pretty hard to vote with an empy wallet!”

It is easy to ‘vote’ with an ‘empty wallet’, the companies don’t get any sales!!  Therefore, they have a problem staying in business!!  Look at the auto industry, when people switch from buying American Big 3 cars, they lose business and the foreign manufacturers gain!!  So, the problem would appear to be with the Big 3, not the foreign manufacturers, but, instead, the foreign manufacturers are cited as the problem, not the Big 3, same goes for Wal-Mart!!  Wal-Mart helps people get more “Bang for their Buck”!!

“In this time of economic chaos Wal*Mart stock is holding up well.”

This is an example of what I’m saying, the economy is ‘bad’, yet, Wal-Mart, the one doing well, is blamed, while the ones doing ‘bad’ are being given a ‘pass’ on blame!!

“You see the company is designed to thrive on American Misery....”

That’s the way YOU see it, but, many others see it, that Wal-Mart is designed to be the driver of a fiscally prudent economy and acts as a ‘safety net’ in times of downturn!!  Even Jane has stated, that people turn to Wal-Mart when things are ‘bad’, but will go back to the ‘higher end’ when things turn ‘good’ again, in other words, they will go back to excessive spending, instead of staying with the one that helped them in times of trouble!!  Without Wal-Mart, where would those people turn when things go ‘bad’?

“Think about that for a minute....so if you are Warren Buffit or mega-rich you will not be feeling any pain. If you work for a living, well, your just going to have to keep working.”

Think about this, ‘How did Warren Buffett get rich?’, he made ‘good’ choices, so why should HE be punished for making ‘good’ choices and others be rewarded for making ‘poor’ choices?  If you make ‘poor’ choices, then shouldn’t you be the one who suffers for it?  So, if you ‘blow’ your income at ‘high priced’ stores and are constantly ‘broke’ (living paycheck to paycheck), why blame the store, that wants to help you ‘save money’, for your problems?

Your CNN article was ‘good’ from one perspective, but, it assumes ‘causes’ and averages ‘misery’, without considering things like ‘high oil prices’, taxes, or many other things that are the ‘real cause!!  Take the 5% average savings of Americans in ‘good times’, it should be higher, even social security takes 15% and using ‘credit’ to replace savings, is just plain ignorant!!  How can anyone deal with ‘rainy days’, if they don’t save for those ‘rainy days’ beforehand!!  And, it is up to YOU to budget your money, Wal-Mart can’t do it for you and, if you DON’T do it, it’s YOUR fault, not theirs!!

Bobby,

“One thing that both Ronald Reagan as well as Bill Clinton got right was encouraging people to start small businesses.”

So, do you agree with Obama, that taxing Small Business more and ‘fining’ them for not providing ‘benefits’ is ‘good’ for Small Business?

RDS in,
Are we talking sole proprietorships, s corps, c corps or llcs?

“Which brings us back to Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart’s sales have risen exponentially while their profit margin has contracted. In other words, Bentonville works harder and harder for less and less. “

I believed I’ve posted profit margins before to disprove this statment.  It’s funny how you keep saying that as a fact when you it isn’t true. 

“But the nationalization of the financial institutions of this country by a Republican administration is “socialism”. “

This statment is also untrue since the idea is for the “nationalization” to be temporary until the markets stabilize, and you also left out the part where Democrats in Congress approved of it at a higher percentage than did Republicans. 

Back on topic though: “Right now, Wal-Mart will only accept price increases if the quality standards have been met..”

So if you want to raise your prices with Walmart give them a better product.  Seems like a normal thing to ask, but I guess you guys think that Walmart should just pay as much as the supplier asks which is interesting because I don’t think there is a single successful company out there that doesn’t try to get their supplies/merchandise at the lowest price possible, but apparently that is only wrong to do if you are Walmart.

RDS in,
as I mentioned in the previous post:
“One thing that I would like to add is that whoever wins tomorrows (and upcoming) elections is that America needs a BRAND NEW Small Business Administration”.

McCain (as most politicians) oversimplifies things when talking about federal income tax. It seems his remarks regarding Mr. Plumber are based on the idea that Joe would be operating under a sole proprietorship. As I mentioned, the best advice for Joe is get a good accountant.

As you probably realize small businesses in the US are affected by many factors. Check and see how many are incorporated in Delaware… A very large portion of regulation and taxation takes place on the local not national level. A good example is that New York City raised it’s allready too high sales tax after 9/11. This is ironic in that the city regularly has “tax free” holidays, to boost small businesses. As you may guess I am against many consumtion taxes.

I haven’t seen a great plan from McCain or Obama with regards to small business. But the Joe the Plumber thing was laughable. I only hope that which ever candidate wins rebuilds the SBA to look more like the Clinton Era. What it is now is useless. The fact that Joe the Plumber can’t find business advice in his community and has to go straight to the next President of the United States (McCain or Obama) says it all.

RDS
“The main problem is how a person LOOKS at things, often referred to as “The glass half empty or half full”!! “

Hi,
While I do believe that you make some valid points, as you yourself mention and I’m not quoting you but context is everything. Truth be told, we may be at the door steps of the very event (s) that I have been warning about for a while now. The US economy is almost hopelessly lop-sided and this was accomplished in an astonishlingly short amount of time. The results of the “Wal*Martization” of the US economy have become all too apparent. I don’t think there is anything to debate really. The model has been one of the greatest disasters for America in the last hundred years. What was warned of yesterday is reality today.

So we move on. Walmart is bad for America. What’s to debate?

Dave in

So I guess you are of the opinion that America should be “Thankful” for Wal*Mart. It’s truly amaizing that the country ever even existed without it!

NOT!!!!!

Bobby,

“The results of the “Wal*Martization” of the US economy have become all too apparent.”

Maybe it is to YOU and a few others, but to 100+ people who shop and work there, it must not be that clear!!  And, it’s strange, that those same people who walk through Wal-Mart’s doors each week, are the very people YOU say are being harmed by Wal-Mart!!  Must be, that over 1/3rd of the total population aren’t quite as smart as you are, right?  You would think that they would have NOTICED by now!!

Like myself, I hear the things posted on this site, but, for some reason, I don’t SEE them at any of the Wal-Mart’s I have been in, nor have I heard those complaints from ANY of the Wal-Mart employees I know or have talked to!!  But, maybe I’m blind and those people are LYING to me!!  Only people who don’t shop at or work at Wal-Mart are experts and know the truth, ya think?

Bobby,

“but to 100+ people who shop and work there”

Sorry, but that should have read “100,000+ shoppers each week and 1.5 million employees”!!

...temporary...

Oh, I see, Dave. A little “temporary” socialism is OK. According to the Wall Street Journal, If there has been one uninterrupted trend of the past century, it has been the steady socialization of risk—especially financial risk.
You consider a century temporary?

This whole “socialism” argument is bogus. Are they socialistic facets of our society, sure. So what? Nothing is pure except the delusions of the right wing fringe.

Behind a fence topped with razor wire just off U.S. Highway 71 is a bunker of a building that Wal-Mart considers so secret that it won’t even let the county assessor inside without a nondisclosure agreement.

“According to the Wall Street Journal, If there has been one uninterrupted trend of the past century, it has been the steady socialization of risk—especially financial risk.
You consider a century temporary? “

No, I don’t consider a century temporary, but I also don’t think the majority of the “socialization of risk” was done by Republicans.  Last time I checked FDR was a Democrat and he is responsible for about 90% of the “socialization of risk” in the last century.

. Obama Has Links to ANOTHER ‘60s Radical

Barack Obama has consistently sought to distance himself from former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. But it’s a different story with another student radical from the 1960s — Marilyn Katz — who is actually on Obama’s fundraising team.

Katz, a public relations executive in Chicago, serves on Obama’s national finance committee. She is listed as a fundraising “bundler” on his Web site, has hosted fundraisers for the candidate, and attended the Democratic Convention as part of the Illinois delegation.

But during the violent protests of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Katz was the security chief for the radical Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), which spawned Ayers and the Weather Underground.

During those protests, Katz advocated throwing studded nails in front of police cars, the Chicago Tribune reported.

In 1969, an undercover policeman named William Frapolly testified at the “Chicago Seven” trials, and prosecutors asked him to describe his collaboration with organizers of the protest the previous year.

He testified that one night in Chicago’s Lincoln Park, Katz briefed a group of protesters on the use of “guerilla nails.”

“She had two types,” he told the court.

“One was a cluster of nails that were sharpened at both ends, and they were fastened in the center. It looked like they were welded or soldered. She said these were good for throwing or putting underneath tires.

“She showed another set that was the same type of nails sharpened at both ends, but they were put through a Styrofoam cylinder.”

A prosecutor asked, “To whom was she showing these objects?”

Frapolly answered, “Everyone in the group.”

Katz was a principal organizer of the October 2002 anti-war demonstration in Chicago where Obama first expressed his opposition to the looming Iraq war.

In 2005, she co-authored the book “Stopping War, Seeking Justice” along with longtime Marxist and Obama supporter Carl Davidson.

Now she is co-chair of Chicagoans Against War & Injustice, and her public relations firm is working on contracts with the city of Chicago worth millions of dollars. She lists as her clients the city’s housing authority, law department, and departments of housing, human services, streets and sanitation, and public health, among others.

As for her relationship with Ayers, who admitted helping to bomb the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon in the 1970s, the Tribune reported that she has said, “Bill and I were in different parts of SDS. We disagreed on tactics.”

Guy Benson wrote on Townhall.com about Obama’s Katz connection: “There are so many objectionable figures in Obama’s social milieu, new revelations about yet another garden variety radical may elicit shrugs at this point . . .

“Perhaps it follows that someone who preferred lobbing guerilla nails at police over planting pipe bombs in federal buildings would be integrated into Obama’s official campaign apparatus without so much as a second look.”

Sam Stein November 2, 2008 11:04 AM

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New Republic published an explosive story Saturday evening detailing how John McCain, in all likelihood, leaked information to investigators of the Keating Five scandal that was designed to help his image at the expense of the other four Senators involved.

If the allegation is true—and TNR makes a healthy case as to its veracity—it would mean that McCain violated Senate rules and could have been expelled from that body.

“All five senators—including McCain—had testified under oath and under the U.S. penal code that the leaks did not come from their camps,” Sahil Mahtani reports. “The leaks were also prohibited by rules of the Senate Ethics Committee; according to the rules of the Senate, anyone caught leaking such information could face expulsion from the body.”

But this is not be the only instance in which McCain defied the rules of the Senate when seeking to absolve himself of any wronging in the Keating affair. Public records in Arizona reveal that the Senator was also dishonest in discussing the extent of financial transactions he and his family had with the disgraced Savings and Loans chief.

In a three-and-a-half hour interview with investigators on February 13, 1990, McCain told the Ethics Committee that “other than the Fountain Square project [a property deal in which Keating and McCain’s family were jointly invested] there were no other financial dealings between him or his family and ACC [American Continental Corporation].”

This, it seems, was not true.

In 1983, the company owned by the McCain family—specifically his wife Cindy and father-in-law Jim Hensley—bought a property in Mesa, Arizona, owned by ACC, only to sell it back two months later.

According to property records (pdf), on May 26 of that year, Keating’s ACC “conveyed” Lot 188 of Laguna Shores Unit 8 to the Hensley/McCain’s Western Leasing Company for the price of $75,000. On July 21, 1983, Western Leasing Company sold the lot right back to ACC for the same exact price.

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There is no explanation on the records as to why the unusual property exchange took place. McCain did not report it on his personal financial disclosure form that year, which required senators to list “any interest in property held during calendar year 1983 in a trade or business or for investment or the production of income, which had a fair market value exceeding $1,000 as of the end of the year.” Though, a Democratic lawyer familiar with ethics disclosures notes that if he didn’t “have a personal ownership interest in the property it would not have to be reported.” McCain did list his shares in Western Leasing.

Keating would go on to build a residence on that lot just two months after purchasing it back from Western Leasing. Theoretically, he could have benefited from having that property off the books for the two-month period it was owned by Western Leasing.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Witch Hunt Launched Against Joe the Plumber

Friday, October 31, 2008

By: Jim Meyers

Officials in Ohio swiftly launched a witch hunt against Joe the plumber in an apparent effort to dig up dirt on the John McCain supporter.

Joe Wurzelbacher became a household name when McCain referred to “Joe the plumber” frequently during the Oct. 15 presidential debate with Barack Obama. Officials reportedly began to dig into Joe’s records the very next day.

Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services (ODJFS), admitted that she approved a check on Wurzelbacher’s child support papers. Joe maintains he is not involved in a child support case.

The agency “also checked Wurzelbacher in its computer systems to determine whether he was receiving welfare assistance or owed unemployment compensation taxes,” the Columbus Dispatch reported.

Jones-Kelley is an Obama supporter and contributed the maximum amount to his presidential campaign.

She made the admissions in a letter to Ohio Senate President Bill Harris, a Republican, who demanded an explanation of the record checks.

Jones-Kelley wrote: “Given our understanding that Mr. Wurzelbacher had publicly indicated that he had the means to purchase a substantial business enterprise, ODJFS, consistent with past departmental practice, checked confidential databases.”

The reference was to a plumbing business Wurzelbacher said he was considering purchasing.

“Not surprisingly,” Jones-Kelley also wrote, “when a person behind in child support payments or receiving public assistance is receiving media attention which suggests that the person appears to have available financial resources, the Department risks justifiable criticism if it fails to take note and respond.”

Harris called the checks “questionable.” And columnist Michelle Malkin termed them “outrageous invasions of his privacy.”

In addition to Jones-Kelley, investigators have found other suspicious uses of state computer resources to access information on Wurzelbacher.

Toledo police records clerk Julie McConnell has been charged with gross misconduct for accessing the Law Enforcement Automated Date System to retrieve Wurzelbacher’s address as a favor to a reporter, according to Malkin.

Officials in Ohio also say the Cuyahoga County social service office was compromised and an outside contractor with access to data belonging to the state attorney general “similarly searched Wurzelbacher’s data,” Malkin noted.

“Moreover, his driver’ license and vehicle registration information were obtained from the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.”

Harris said of the checks on Wurzelbacher: “It’s kind of like Big Brother is looking in your pocket.”

The Dispatch reports that Ohio Inspector General Thomas Charles is investigating whether the child support check on Wurzelbacher was legal

Why isnt the Liberal Media- flocking over to the Govt. Housing project that Obamas Aunt was living in illegally after she was ordered by Immigrations to leave the U.S.? Why arent they checking up on her? Why did she make an ILLEGAL campaign contribution to Obama? Why did Obama accept it? Liberal Democrat Pukes! Always skirting the law & pointing the finger elsewhere or playing dumb, which comes natural!

WTF does Joe the Plumber have to do with P&G;???????????

WTF does Joe the Plumber have to do with P&G;???????????

Ummm, you could hire him to clear a drain clogged with a bar of P & G soap? Oh, wait, no you can’t. He’s not licensed.

What’s good for Wal-Mart is BAD for America!

WTF does Joe the Plumber have to do with P&G;???????????I dunno,what did a plumber have to do with a political campain? Oops,I forgot, when your campaign is in the crapper-I guess there WOULD be some conection......

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