Democratic Senator Blanche Lincoln Reverses EFCA Support, But Leaves Door Cracked

I wonder what company has scared her, into turning her back on the workers in her state, could it be Wal-Mart?

The average median income in the U.S. is $50,200.00 and Arkansas’s is $39,500.00 that’s 47th lowest wages in the United States. Boy that’s something that you can be proud of.

It’s all about the money. Wal-mart and Sam’s Club has lots and lots of money. They can buy off any one they want to. You see money talks. Politicians are bought off all the time. If they could just think for themselves and do the right thing, things would be so much better. But that’s not the case. They think they’re doing the right thing, but they remember all that money and where it came from, then they get stuck. It would be a great day if we could get people in office that could think for themselves. But it’s all about the money.

I love poverty Big D. Only MATT enjoys poverty more than myself but that is speculative because of his unstable mental condition and endless lies!! That would bother me if I cared about the truth about anything. It is hard for me to believe that any corporation in Arkansas would stoop to influencing politicians. Perhaps some fellow hillbilly rolled Blanche a big fat doobie and did not invite me to the festivities. Anyway I think I heard once that smoking dope causes you to forget, I’m not sure though!!

all your favorite union places donate money to politicians and influence them too and we dont hear the same level of bitching from you walmart haters on that one.

“ Perhaps some fellow hillbilly rolled Blanche a big fat doobie and did not invite me to the festivities.”

If you are going to pretend to be ME, at least talk like you have some intelligence, okay?  I do not love poverty, if I did, I would be advocating that the poor pay ‘higher prices’, like many here are!!  Poverty is caused by ‘bad choices’, poor money management and the people who think that continuing to raise the cost of living is the way to go!!  Some people are ‘blind’ to the fact, that when you raise wages & prices by 1%, the ‘cost of living’ goes up by 2%!!  They need to LEARN, how the economy REALLY works, instead of viewing the world through their ‘rose colored’ glasses!!

RDS:
Could you cite some studies that back up your claim:
“Poverty is caused by ‘bad choices’, poor money management...”

Perhaps you mean the bad choice of parents by kids not named Walton?

Does the whole state of Arkansas suffer from bad choices, or is there something else at work which keeps their incomes below average?

It is a libertarian myth that people are solely responsible for their lot in life. I don’t know what it does for libertarians to think such things, especially since most of them aren’t doing to well themselves.

The average libertarian is a lower middle class white who has never suffered any major catastrophes (like ill health) in life. Apparently they get some satisfaction from feeling superior to those even worse off then themselves. This is a type of meanspiritedness mostly found only in America.

Other societies have racial and ethnic discrimination, but don’t combine it with an economic argument. Instead they tend to think the disfavored group is lazy and/or stupid. Libertarianism is strictly an American development.

robertdfeinman,

“Could you cite some studies that back up your claim:”

My study, is based on logic, reason and personal experience of being around ‘poor’ people!!  Logic, will tell you, that if a 13 year old girl has a baby and keeps it, she will end up being ‘poor’!!  Reason tells you, that if a person stays in a situation or area, where they can’t find a job that pays enough to support their family, they will remain ‘poor’!!  I have known enough ‘poor’ people to see how they use the money they get and as they have ‘little’ concept of money budgeting, they spend money when they have it and then starve themselves when they don’t and go out looking for handouts!!  How many ‘poor’ people have bank accounts?  You will say, that it is because they have NO money to put into an account, but, the fact is, they get rid of their money faster than they can earn it!!  I know a woman who just got a $5,000.00 tax refund a month ago, guess what, it is gone and she is still behind on her bills, but, she has a new COMPUTER and other things!!

“Does the whole state of Arkansas suffer from bad choices, or is there something else at work which keeps their incomes below average?”

First, the ‘whole state of Arkansas’ isn’t ‘poor’, but, the parts that are, DO suffer from bad choices!!  As for the income being BELOW average, that is a premise based on the fact that other areas are ABOVE average!!  And, in case you hadn’t noticed, those ‘high income’ areas are the ones ‘hurting the most’ financially right now!!  What you people fail to mention, when talking about INCOMES, is their relationship to ‘cost of living’!!  The median income of $39,500.00 (stated by Big D.), is well within the amount needed to live quite well in Arkansas, it might not be enough to live in New York or Detroit or San Diego, because the ‘cost of living’ is outrageous in those cities!!  Instead of citing INCOMES, why not cite STANDARDS of LIVING!!

See, the problem you have, is that you equate that all incomes should be the SAME, because they are all in the United States, but, the fact is, people need different amounts in different areas to obtain the SAME ‘standard of living’!!  Example:  A house in Arkansas that costs $250,000.00, if that same house was in California (San Diego), could cost $800,000.00!!  Think about it, what would the monthly payment be in Arkansas, compared to California?  Therefore, a person in Arkansas, could buy that house and need a lot less income to make the monthly payments!!

“The average libertarian is a lower middle class white who has never suffered any major catastrophes (like ill health) in life.”

Where is your study, to back up that claim?  Or, are you just making that up?

“This is a type of meanspiritedness mostly found only in America.”

It has nothing to do with ‘meanspiritedness’, it has to do with logic and reason!!  The fact is MILLIONS of people seem to be able to get along just fine in this country and if you STUDY them, you will find, that they are hardworking people making the hard ‘choices’ that determine whether they will succeed or fail in life, they are the ones who don’t use drugs, don’t get drunk every weekend, go to work every day, don’t get arrested many times, and pay their bills every month, from budgeting their money properly!! 

If you choose to THINK, that some people just suffer from continous BAD LUCK and their behavior (choices), has nothing to do with it, then YOU are one of those, looking at the world with ‘blinders’ on!!

RDS:  I BELIEVE ROBERTDFEINMAN ASKED YOU TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR
USUAL RHETORIC WITH SOME FACTS OR STUDIES.  INSTEAD, YOU JUST
TURN ON YOUR WIND GENERATOR AND SUBJECT US TO ANOTHER ONE OF
YOUR DEFENSIVE ANECDOTAL DIATRIBES.

YEAH, YOU HAVE “EXPERIENCE” BEING AROUND POOR PEOPLE…
ARE YOU INCLUDING ALL THOSE POOR PEOPLE ON YOUR FAVORITE
TV PROGRAMS LIKE “SANFORD AND SON” AND “GREEN ACRES?”

DON’T MAKE ME DREDGE UP THAT QUOTE OF YOURS.

Screwedby,

I understand why you can’t understand LOGIC and REASON, as you are one of those who don’t believe in Personal Responsibility!!  Only people who have been responsible for their own well being and that of a family, know what it takes to get ahead in life on their own, without people constantly ‘giving’ them everything!!  As for the “Sanford and Son” and “Green Acres” references, I was making them so ‘couch potatoes’ like yourself, who never knew any REAL ‘poor people’, could have a point of reference!!  Seeing where you live, I don’t think there are very many ‘poor people’ in your neighborhood!!

I don’t need some bias study, to tell me something I can SEE with my own eyes!!  Besides, I, personally have helped about 5 people budget themselves out of poverty and, I have went from poverty to ‘middle class’ myself!!

RDS:
Well at least you are honest about not having any data to support your prejudices.

I’ll just give you one number, you can look up others for yourself, if you ever wish to learn the facts.
HS graduation rate for AK - 75%
National average - 80%

There are similar numbers for standard of living, other levels of education, amount spent per student and so on. The people of Arkansas are getting screwed by big business interests and don’t even realize it. Don’t feel too bad, WVa, Miss and Alabama are worse.

Now as for poor people squandering windfalls, this tends to be true, but you don’t understand the dynamics. There have been whole books written by anthropologists who have done field research on this, so I’m not making it up.

If you are poor and your prospects in life are limited there is little incentive to put aside money for the future. The amount that you could save is so slight that it will never make a big difference overall. So when a windfall comes along people spend it so that they have some present benefit from it and can feel like a member of a higher class, if even for just awhile.

If they spend it on something lasting like a new computer then they have something that they can use that they wouldn’t have had before.

You fail to understand the resignation that comes with being trapped in a certain socio-economic class and think it is all do to personal moral failure. That is your personal moral failure, lack of both understanding and empathy.

robertdfienman,

“Well at least you are honest about not having any data to support your prejudices.”

I am not prejudice against ‘poor’ people, I’m am speaking about ‘reality’, not the ‘bleeding heart, feel sorry’ view!!  Many of my friends are ‘poor’ and I can see that they refuse to do the things that can change that!!

“if you ever wish to learn the facts.
HS graduation rate for AK - 75%
National average - 80% “

I don’t know why you used AK (Alaska), but anyway, isn’t graduating high school a ‘choice’, based on how well a person studies and learns?

“There are similar numbers for standard of living, other levels of education, amount spent per student and so on.”

Once again, you are using statistics, based on the WHOLE state, NW Arkansas does not fit the profile of the statistics!!  Why do I mention NW Arkansas?  Because that is where Wal-Mart and Tyson Foods are located, that’s why, and standards of living are much better here!!

In New York state, I think you might find pockets of cities that are ‘poorer’ than other cities and even in New York City, there are neighborhoods that have ‘poor’ people, why do you think that is?  Is it because ALL of the people in those neighborhoods have ‘Bad Luck’ and are somehow LOCKED into those areas?  Why isn’t ‘Harlem’ , full of ‘middle class’ people?  Are the people there just ALL disadvantaged or do they belong to gangs, push drugs and are mostly on welfare?  What is the unemployment rate in Harlem?

“Now as for poor people squandering windfalls, this tends to be true, but you don’t understand the dynamics....If you are poor and your prospects in life are limited there is little incentive to put aside money for the future.”

That is the whole money management thing I was talking about!!  How can people GET a better perspective on life, if they hold the notion that ‘things will never get any better’?  That is a ‘Choice’, to think that “Once poor, always poor”!!

“So when a windfall comes along people spend it so that they have some present benefit from it and can feel like a member of a higher class, if even for just awhile.”

But, that’s my whole point, if they, instead of spending that windfall foolishly, they would use it to better their life in a more PERMENANT way, they could boost their way OUT of poverty!!  That’s is exactly what more responsible people do, it’s called TCB (taking care of business)!!

“If they spend it on something lasting like a new computer then they have something that they can use that they wouldn’t have had before.”

That’s all well and good, if you really NEED a computer more than FOOD, paying down debt or using the money to move to where ‘better jobs’ are!!  But, if buying a computer just makes you FEEL more important and you end up STILL POOR, what good did it do towards changing your situation?  Like I said, it all comes down to CHOICES!!

“You fail to understand the resignation that comes with being trapped in a certain socio-economic class and think it is all do to personal moral failure.”

You are probably right, I don’t understand, because when I was ‘poor’, all I did was think of ways to get out of poverty and what I needed to do to accomplish it, I NEVER felt TRAPPED!!  Why is it MY moral failure, because some people don’t want to put forth the EFFORT, and it does take EFFORT and believeing in yourself, to make their lives better!!  The only reason these people are TRAPPED, is because they do things that keep them TRAPPED, like moving and getting a job!!  TRAPPED is just a Liberal term used to excuse these people’s ‘bad’ choices and behavior!!

People use excuses for why they can’t get ahead in life, but, they are STLL just EXCUSES!!  Saying things like “I was born on the wrong side of the tracks” or “I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth” are just excuses for ‘bad’ behavior!!  And, saying “you are poor and your prospects in life are limited”, is just an excuse, because you are only LIMITED by your own EFFORT!!  If a person doesn’t look for work, they can’t use the excuse that they can’t find a job!!  If they stay in an area that doesn’t have jobs, they can’t use the excuse that there are no jobs where they live!!  That’s not MY personal moral failure, it’s the failure of the ‘poor’ people!!  And, why should I have empathy for people that don’t think enough about themselves to make an EFFORT to ‘change’ their life situations, that’s their CHOICE, not mine!!  And, why should taxpayers continue to have to support people who decide to KEEP making ‘bad’ choices in life?  Those people need to STOP feeling sorry for themselves and start to take ‘charge’ of their lives, it all comes down to ‘Personal Responsiblity’!!  And, people like YOU need to STOP enabling their ‘bad’ behavior, by feeling sorry and making excuses for them!!

Sorry, that was a typo, the stats refer to Arkansas.

Millions of people are stuck in poverty generation after generation and you think that they all suffer from some sort of moral failing. Why is it that poverty is less in countries that provide better social services (like Scandinavia)?

It’s because there is a support structure that allows people to move up. Free schooling, day care for kids, maternity and paternity leave, adequate unemployment insurance, comprehensive health care etc.

Mobility between classes has declined a lot over the past few decades, because the barriers to advancement are higher. Even the difficulty of forming a union has made it harder. Organized workers get paid better. Sweden is a capitalist country with big industries, but it doesn’t keep the working man down and the firms still are competitive on the international market. Why do you think that is? Are the people there just morally superior to those in the US? The degree of unionization is much higher than in the US too.

By the way I used to work in Harlem, there is a mixture of income levels from poor to wealthy. I assume you’ve never been there since you just spout ignorant rightwing talking points.

The areas with the poorest social services, the poorest educational outcomes and the lowest standard of living are all in the old South (except for AZ and NM which have large Indian reservations). They are also regions where the business elite doesn’t think much of providing services to the bulk of the population. The results show.

The average libertarian is a lower middle class white who has never suffered any major catastrophes (like ill health) in life. Apparently they get some satisfaction from feeling superior to those even worse off then themselves. This is a type of meanspiritedness mostly found only in America.

That describes RDS (Bootstrap Bob) to a ‘T’. Not only does he feel superior but he wants to preserve the status quo so he won’t lose any ground.

There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man’s lawful prey. ~ John Ruskin

robertdfienman,

“Millions of people are stuck in poverty generation after generation and you think that they all suffer from some sort of moral failing.”

I think that question answers itself!!  Just WHY is it that people are stuck in poverty generation after generation?  Maybe, it’s because people who work, set an example to their children as to the value of WORK, while the children of welfare recipients learn that without WORK, you get things for FREE!!

“Free schooling, day care for kids, maternity and paternity leave, adequate unemployment insurance, comprehensive health care etc.”

And, ‘poor’ people here in the U.S. get all that NOW, why are they still in poverty generation after generation then!!

“Organized workers get paid better.”

Tell that to all the laidoff Autoworkers, Steelworkers, Airline workers!!  The fact is, that better paid workers lose their jobs to outsourcing!!

“Sweden is a capitalist country”

Isn’t Sweden, that country with legalized drugs and prostitution?

“I assume you’ve never been there “

You are right, I’ve never been to New York, I got what I said, from the NEWS!!  They seem to talk about the SLUMS in Harlem!!

“They are also regions where the business elite doesn’t think much of providing services to the bulk of the population. The results show.”

The results also show, that throwing money at a problem doesn’t always fix the problem!!  Giving a student a computer, doesn’t assure they will LEARN!!  A student, who thinks “Education is for retarded people”, won’t learn, no matter how much money the school system gets!!  BTW: that quote, is what a student told me and his friends agreed with him!!  He also said, “Why do we have to learn MATH, when will we ever use it?”!!  Only people who really WANT to do something, will put forth the EFFORT to DO IT!!

We have SEEN the results of the prior WELFARE SYSTEM, it was a huge FAILURE, that’s why they changed it!!

Here’s another fact, the MORE you give people for FREE, the LESS they need to WORK to get it!!

Ken V,

“That describes RDS (Bootstrap Bob) to a ‘T’. Not only does he feel superior but he wants to preserve the status quo so he won’t lose any ground.”

That is probably the most ignorant statement you have made yet!!  I want people to RISE out of poverty, that way my taxes can get reduced!!  I would GAIN ground, if people started taking care of themselves, instead of asking me to take care of them!!

BTW:  You said you were ‘financially Independant”, just what does that mean?

RDS:
Why do you insist on digging yourself deeper in the hole every time you reply?

The country with legalized drugs and prostitution is the Netherlands. They have a very low crime rate. It turns out that regulating some activities works better than driving them underground.

The US now has a higher rate of drug use than it did before we started the “war” on drugs.

Reading the newspapers (or in your case probably Fox news) is not a good way to inform yourself about things. When was the last time you saw a story that said: “8 million people in NYC went about their daily lives today and nothing bad happened to them”?

You have all the characteristics of an ideologically blind, angry, and ignorant person. You are unwilling to find out the facts, have no personal experience of what you are talking about and yet claim to be an expert. You don’t even understand the basics of tax policy and think it is the poor that keep taxes “high”.

First of all taxes in the US are lower than in the countries with better social services where they reach 50%. You don’t hear people complaining because they see where their money goes: health, education, etc.

In the US half of the federal discretionary budget goes to militarism. So people like you resent paying taxes because you aren’t getting your money’s worth. Don’t tell me about the need to maintain a strong military. There are limits. The US spends more than the rest of the world combined.

Here’s a chart for you:
http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm

You are so caught up in your anger than you fail to understand the real problems and prefer to blame things on the weakest and most helpless in society.

This is exactly the kind of diversion that people like the Waltons spend so much money promoting. Sucker.

...just what does that mean?

Financial independence: “having an income sufficient for your basic needs and comforts from [sources] other than paid employment”. ~ Your Money or Your Life, Joe Dominquez & Vicki Robin

robertdfienman,

“The country with legalized drugs and prostitution is the Netherlands. They have a very low crime rate. It turns out that regulating some activities works better than driving them underground.”

I agree with that concept, for the most part, those 2 things are mainly illegal in the U.S. for ‘moral’ reasons!!

“When was the last time you saw a story that said: “8 million people in NYC went about their daily lives today and nothing bad happened to them”?”

When was the last time that ever happened?

“You are unwilling to find out the facts, have no personal experience of what you are talking about and yet claim to be an expert.”

Where did you ever see me claim that I was an ‘expert’?  I go by what I see and from the people I KNOW!!  How many of your ‘personal friends’ are ‘poor’?  When I see, things like a woman who complains that her husband hasn’t worked in 4 years and I ask him why and he says that he can’t find a job, yet never leaves the house, I begin to wonder!!  Then, when he gets pissed, goes out and looks and finds a job within an hour, I begin to wonder!!  And, when he goes to work that night and QUITS after 2 hours, I begin to wonder!!  Lastly, when he makes his wife and daughter QUIT their jobs, so they can go back on assistance, I wonder!!  This is just ONE of hundreds of instances I have see in my 65 years!!

Am I angry, you bet I am!!  When I hear people call ‘personal responsibility’, an ‘oldfashioned WACKO concept’, I wonder!!  And, when I have worked hard all my life to support my family and am told I’m being ‘selfish’, because I don’t ‘give’ enough to ‘support’ people who can’t control themselves, I wonder!!  When I pay 75% of my property taxes to the ‘school system’, yet I have no kids in school, while the woman across the street, who has 6 kids (never been married and 6 different fathers, none of which pays support), going to the school, and pays NOTHING, I wonder!!  And, whe her kids are arrested for crimes, I wonder!!  When, I work side by side with someone and I end up paying taxes, while they receive a $5,000.00 refund check, I wonder!!

“First of all taxes in the US are lower than in the countries with better social services where they reach 50%. “

That only applies to SOME people, when you factor in ALL the taxes people pay everyday, MOST pay MORE than 50% (I pay 9.25%, just in sales tax), do you think INCOME TAX is all people pay?  Then, you have to factor in the ‘social culture’ of countries!!  The United States, is upside down from where it was when I was a kid!!  Welfare used to be a last resort, now it is an entitlement!!  The process used to be date, get married and have children, now, it’s date, have kids and just live together until you get sick of each other!!  “Dead Beat Dads” are becoming the Norm, welfare and poverty becomes the ‘new’ supporter!!  Now, you are asking that Wal-Mart become the ‘new’ father, through a ‘living wage’, so the real fathers can shirk their ‘personal responsibility’!!

These are things I SEE ‘personally’ everyday, not just things I read in the news!!  If you choose to turn a ‘blind eye’ to what’s going on in this country, that’s your right!!  If you refuse to see that people are afraid to walk the streets at night and lock and bar their houses, that’s your right too!!  But, if you can’t see, that enabling the victims of poverty, to maintain that lifestyle, grows the problem, then you are the one who is ignoring things!!

And, if you can’t see, that just giving people MORE than they deserve for the work they perform, takes away their incentive to seek a better life, then, you are part of the problem and not the solution!!  When people get things for FREE, they lose their incentive to WORK and when people stop working and go on the DOLE, it puts pressure on those who do work, to pay more and more, until they become ‘poor’ themselves and get added to the system!!

Throughout history, there are accounts of where the ‘poor’ have brought societies to ruin, from empathy and compassion!!

“The road to ruin, is paved with good intentions” and, “No good deed goes unpunished”!!  I didn’t make these sayings up, they come from REAL LIFE , not your ‘ivory tower’ view of life!!

Well-put, RDS...well-put, indeed.

robertdfeinman,

One last thing, people here claim I’m anti worker and I feel I’m superior to ‘poor’ people and have NO compassion for them, but, the fact is, I have MORE compassion for ‘poor’ people then they and YOU do, because I want their lives to get ‘better’, while you want them to accept their FATE and remain ‘poor’, telling them that they can’t do anything about it, they are TRAPPED and STUCK into their situations!!  I want to see them succeed in life, while you want to blame others for the ‘poor’s’ plight!!  These people don’t need your PITY, they need education in making proper choices!!

BTW:  It bugs me to see, this country talk against drug usage and tell kids NOT to use drugs, while handing them out to kids like candy, for ‘new’ illnesses, that used to be called ‘bad’ behavior!!  After all, you might hurt their feelings, if you ask them to behave themselves and stop acting like idiots!!  Also, it used to be drunkeness, now it’s an illness, what’s that all about?  I call it, having NO self control, after all, you can’t get drunk, unless you pick up that glass, can or bottle and pour it’s contents down your throat!!

RDS

“Throughout history, there are accounts of where the ‘poor’ have brought societies to ruin, from empathy and compassion!!”

Name 1 just one that’s all. Just name one that has been “Brought to ruin from empathy and compassion. And tell us all how!

But there are many more that can be named that have been brought down because of GREED!

RDS,

You persist in believing their is no such thing as economic oppression from one group or individual upon others. That is simply false. It is an embarrassment to the people of this country when dead heads such as yourself desperately defend economic retail despotism against labor on behalf of WalMart Stores Inc. You continue to reveal a dead social conscience from the inane extremist libertarian mental disorder of justifiable ‘anything goes’ capitalistic exercise without accounting for the consequences.

“The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked regardeth not to know it.”
Proverbs 29:7

Sam Walton again on exploitation of people especially labor-

Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton once said, “I pay low wages. I can take advantage of that. We’re going to be successful, but the basis is a very low-wage, low-benefit model of employment.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart#_note-
iswalmartgood

“Is Wal-Mart Good for America?” PBS. November 16, 2004. Retrieved on February 24, 2007.

I’m thinking of calling the Arkansas State police on you RDS for stealing a Oscar Meyer truck. Nobody could have all the baloney you have naturally or by accident.

WalMart- In terms of being a socially irresponsible business model, what can we get away with today?

This is just ONE of hundreds of instances...

...in a country of 300 million people.

Here’s another outdated marginal stereotype to add to your collection, RDS:

I’ve never worked much, In fact I’ve been poor all my life
I guess all I really own Is ten kids and a wife
This house I live in is mine But it’s really a shack
But I’ve always managed to somehow drive me a brand new Cadillac. ~ WELFARE CADILLAC Guy Drake

SDV,

Maybe if you used 21st century examples to back your case, instead of bible passages, people might listen to you!!  And, maybe if you understood how the economy really worked, you might be able to put forth valid points, instead of that drivel gobbley-gook that you use now!!

Ken V,

“...in a country of 300 million people.”

Maybe, if I knew ALL 300 million people, I could have said millions, but I don’t, so I can’t!!  I can only talk about people I actually know!!  But, as I don’t know ALL the ‘poor’ people, I can only estimate that there are many others like the people I have known!!  In a poll or survey, it would be called a ‘sampling’!!

We Get Your Analogy, RDS

In a country of 300 million people, only a tiny fraction read or know about this blog.  Yet, almost everyone who comes face to face with your idiotic rants, holds the same low opinion of you.  “In a poll or survey, it would be called ‘sampling’!!” Maybe if all 300 million people in this country read this blog, we could easily say that millions of people hold a low opinion of you, RDS.

You really shouldn’t be throwing around statistics and terms like “sampling,” “logic” and “reason.” I doubt if you’ve ever taken a course in statistics or logic in your life.

Stick to your comfort zone.  Keep “observing all the poor people” around you, and take your life-lessons from your favorite TV programs like “Sanford and Son” and “Green Acres.” It’s so obvious when you try to make it up as you go, RDS!

Screwedby,

“Yet, almost everyone who comes face to face with your idiotic rants, holds the same low opinion of you.”

First, for being an Anti Wal-Mart blog, I think there are a number of people here that AGREE with me, could you do the same on a Pro Wal-Mart site?  Second, I could care less what a person thinks of me, when they won’t even engage in logical debate!!

“ I doubt if you’ve ever taken a course in statistics or logic in your life.”

Then, you would be WRONG again!!  Have you?  Do you know what a ‘histogram’ is?  How about an ‘R-bar or X-bar chart’?  What about a ‘bell curve’?  As far as ‘logic’ goes, it requires an ‘open mind’ that is willing to see both sides of an argument, not total bias based on emotion!!  Maybe that is WHY you have said so many times, that you wish there were NO debate on this site and only your view presented!!

“Keep “observing all the poor people” around you”

I will and I will base my view on what I see!!  Maybe, if you were to ‘personally’ view ‘poor people’ and look, without bias at them, you could see things the way they are, instead of what you have heard or read!!

“It’s so obvious when you try to make it up as you go, RDS!”

I don’t need to MAKE IT UP, reality is stranger than fiction!!  I guess that someone who produced a movie based on fiction, would know all about MAKING THINGS UP, right?

“First, for being an Anti Wal-Mart blog, I think there are a number of people here that AGREE with me, could you do the same on a Pro Wal-Mart site?”

Is there such a thing as a Pro Wal-Mart site?  Just wondering if they have so many “fans” they should have a “pro” website.

Wal-Mart start paying,

“Is there such a thing as a Pro Wal-Mart site?”

The Pro Wal-Mart sites are the stores and about 150 million shoppers show their support every week!!  And, ‘happy’ customers don’t need a place to VENT, only complainers do!!

..they should have a “pro” website...

Pro Wal-Mart websites are more perishable than their produce. Usually they pay a few bloggers to make nice but claim they are independent but even that doesn’t last long.

Wal-Mart associates site:

http://www.walmart-blows.com/forum/

Customer Comment sites:

http://www.planetfeedback.com/
http://www.my3cents.com/

Browse these sites if you’re interested in seeing the pro/anti ratio.

“Success isn’t measured by how much merchandise you sell. Real success is found in the development of, and opportunities you provide for, the people who are selling it.” ~ Barney Kroger

The power of positive marketing!

Archeologists dig 10 feet under New York and discover 100 year old copper lines.  New York press reports that New York had telephone service 100 years ago.

Not to be outdone Los Angeles archeologists dug down 20 feet and found 200 year old copper lines.  Los Angeles press reports Los Angeles had telephone service 200 years before New York.

Meanwhile an archeologist at Bentonville dug down 30 feet and found nothing.  Not wanting to look inferior to New York or Los Angeles he went to the PR department at Wal-Mart who issued this release.

Bentonville archeologist digs 30 feet finds nothing determines area was wireless 300 years before New York and Los Angeles.

It is all about the spin.

It is all about the spin.

I love it, Baraboo! ^5!

“There are a lot of issues here, but what they add up to is the end of the age of Wal-Mart,” contends Richard Hastings, a senior analyst for the retail rating agency Bernard Sands. “The glory days are over.”

Wal-Mart start paying,

“It is all about the spin.”

You are right and anti Wal-Marters know how to SPIN a ‘small’ thing into a major event!!  They say Wal-Mart pays ‘poverty wages’, tell us about a ‘living wage calculator’ site and then say the site is wrong when the stats go against them!!  They say that Wal-Mart has a ‘bad’ business model, even though they are #1 and say that shoppers only shop there because of the economy, but poo-poo the argument that the economy hasn’t been ‘bad’ for the last 40+ years!!

Most of the anti people here are ‘spinning’ like a top!!

...‘spinning’ like a top!!

If your career as a hair stylist doesn’t work out, RDS, you might offer your services to Iran. They can always use another high-powered centrifuge.

Said one insider, who asked not to be identified by name: “Wal-Mart claims that these ($7.95 jeans) are not loss leaders. Well, if that’s true, imagine the costs of the denim, the zippers, the buttons, the shipping costs, the store overhead, and there certainly isn’t much room left over to pay for the costs of labor. I love free trade, but this makes even me uncomfortable.”