Victory in Moon, PA

Are you saying the Beast of Bentonville got mooned?

Ken V: Full (y) mooned.

bullshit they got mooned.if target,costco or a ufcw union grocery store that brings just as much traffic wanted to build in that same spot no one would have said crap and the store would be granted with no problem and the same bs like traffic,crime safety and livability that is always used against wm would not have been used against these other high cost stores.

Gee, Matt, I wonder why…

Foxtrot

...target,costco or a ufcw union grocery store...

Man, Matty, if those are your idea of “high cost stores” you must be looking up from the very bottom. Perhaps your time would be better spent improving your lot in life?

Gee, I’m glad that Moon Township is so prosperous that it can choose to forego the jobs, the taxes and the lower cost of living that the store would have brought.

Get it straight--Wal-Mart DOES NOT ADD JOBS TO THE AREA. Studies have been done that show that for every job Wal-Mart adds to the area 2 ARE LOST. That’s right--2 jobs are lost for every job Wal-Mart creates. How is that possible? Easy. When Wal-Mart arrives they put all their competition out of business. Everyone who worked for other retailers in the area ARE NOW UNEMPLOYED OR WORKING FOR WAL-MART.
And as far as lowering the cost of living Wal-Mart DOESN’T DO THAT EITHER. If you read the book “The Wal-Mart Effect” by Charles Fishman you learn that when Wal-Mart comes to town THE POOR BECOME POORER!! Wal-Mart pays considerably less than most other businesses. Other businesses in order to stay competitive have had to LOWER wages and benefits to their employees.
And what about the taxes the pay? Well, Wal-Mart has CONSISTENTLY tried to get their buildings put up at TAXPAYERS EXPENSE!! They have also tried to avoid paying their full share of taxes time and time again. If there is a tax loophole somewhere you can bet Wal-Mart will find it and use it. Are they the only corporation to do this? No--but they certainly are the largest!
And what about what they manufacture? At least 80% of what they sell IS MADE IN CHINA!! How many jobs have we lost here because of that?
Experts have proven many times over that Wal-Mart COSTS COMMUNITIES. They give little if anything back but they suck the life out of the area. The Wal-Mart Effect by Charles Fishman is excellent reading and Fishman proves this point nicely. Congratulation to the town of Moon---THEY DID THE RIGHT THING!!!

Everyone who worked for other retailers in the area ARE NOW UNEMPLOYED OR WORKING FOR WAL-MART.

What other retailers?  Caldor’s, Bradlees, and Ames have all been gone for several years, already—get over it.

If you read the book “The Wal-Mart Effect” by Charles Fishman you learn that when Wal-Mart comes to town THE POOR BECOME POORER!!

Next thing you know, you’ll be telling everyone to watch the “Wal-Mart Movie"…

They have also tried to avoid paying their full share of taxes time and time again. If there is a tax loophole somewhere you can bet Wal-Mart will find it and use it.

If it were legal, wouldn’t you?

Seriously, it’s not so much about the loopholes as it is all those “sweetheart deals” that communities offer to big-format retailers like WM. 

Why?  Two words - “tax ratables”.

Are they the only corporation to do this? No--but they certainly are the largest!

Heard that one, already…

And what about what they manufacture?

Last I heard, WM is a retailer, not a manufacturer.

At least 80% of what they sell IS MADE IN CHINA!! How many jobs have we lost here because of that?

True, but if it weren’t WM selling Chinese-made stuff, it would’ve been Target or one of the others.  For now, that’s a no-win siutation, unless you plan on making everything, yourself.

You can thank the first Bush, Clinton, and the “go-go 90’s” for all that.

The Wal-Mart Effect by Charles Fishman is excellent reading and Fishman proves this point nicely.

Sounds to me like you’re pitching this book, more than anything else—good luck with that.

I’m sorry, my excuses for Walmart are lame but since I’m obviously a pro Walmart internet shill/troll/fraud/ass kissing lackey...what would you expect?

Sounds to me like you’re pitching this book...

If Jane isn’t, I will. If you want to understand the negative effects of the Beast of Bentonville I highly recommend Charles Fishman’s The WalMart Effect. (available at Overstock.com $16.27)

What’s good for Wal-Mart is BAD for America!

jane you are buying into the same old tired untrue unproven united food and commercial workers union bullshit on her.wm does create jobs and for your information jane they pay better and treat their workers better at the bottom end than your favorite target,k-mart and expensive ufcw union grocery stores you are madly in love with do.jqane i have worked at k-mart and for a ufcw union grocery store unlike you and know what i am talking about.

all your favorite stores have tried to get their stores built at taxpayer expense too jane and its funny you are silent on that but bitch when wm does it proving you are a greedy selfish spoiled rich hypocrite.

oh bs jane other busineses have had to lower wages and benefits to compete with wm.how is that so jane when wm has no control over what other busineses pay their employees and what kind of benefits they offer?

jane you might want to boycott all your favorite stores too because they buy and import the same high amount 80% crap from china made with the same cheap slave chinese labor wm does and we dont hear any bitching from you on that

Jane: This may be of particular interest to you:~~~~"A Peak Oil Prophet Imagines Life in America After Wal-Mart”

By Michelle Nijhuis, Grist.org. Posted July 9, 2008.

James Howard Kunstler’s new novel describes a small town in upstate NY where a chain of global crises has forced the community to fend for itself.Author and social critic James Howard Kunstler, known for predicting our post-peak-oil future in nonfiction works such as The Long Emergency, has also brought his forecasts to life through fiction.

His newest novel, World Made By Hand, describes the near future in a small town in upstate New York—not unlike the place Kunstler himself lives today—where a chain of global crises has forced the community to fend for itself.

Despite the tragedy and violence that surround his characters, Kunstler says his vision of the future isn’t nearly as grim as it might seem. “I resent the idea that I’m an apocalyptarian,” he says. “I’m describing changes that we face, but I’m hardly proposing that it’s the end of the world. It may be the end of the Wal-Mart experience, it may be the end of see-the-USA-in-your-Chevrolet—but that ain’t the end of the world.” Grist recently spoke with Kunstler about prophesying—and preparing for—life after Wal-Mart.~~~Alternet~~~~~~~~(To read the rest of the interview,go to Grist or Alternet)

Kunstler was also the author of what he calls:

The $7 Hair Dryer Fallacy

“People who shop at a giant discounter to save $7 on a hair dryer don’t realize that they pay a hidden price by taking that business from local merchants, because those merchants are the people who sit on school boards, sponsor little league teams and support the civic institutions that create a community.”