Wal-Mart Bemoans the “Paycheck-to-Paycheck” Economy It Helped Create

RIGHT, Wal-Mart created the “paycheck to paycheck” economy!!  Funny, back before Wal-Mart even started, my family lived “paycheck to pcycheck”, how can that be, if Wal-Mart created it?  Must be like Al Gore inventing the internet, ya think?

Isn’t This Just Like Wal-Mart and the Republicans!

Just as Wal-Mart refuses to see the crisis it has helped to create, so too the Republicans who always seem to favor “Big Business” over “the little guy,” refuse to acknowledge their role in creating the sub-prime mortgage crisis.

It’s OK for the government to come to the rescue of Bear Strearns with a $29 billion dollar package, it was also OK for the government to bail out the savings and loans… especially when George W’s brother Neil Bush had his hands in the Silverado Savings and Loan.

But now that Barney Frank, as Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, wants to come to the rescue of homeowners stung by the unparalleled greed of lenders like Countrywide Mortgage, the Republicans are all upset.

According to Frank, the business community is learning that there’s a political price to pay for the resentment of many Americans who see the current system as fundamentally unfair.

“In this century, 5 percent of the American people have seen a rise in their real incomes; 95 percent have either stagnated or dropped.” ~Barney Frank

“Somebody has got to have the right to regulate the investment banks the way we do commercial banks.” ~Barney Frank

“before Wal-Mart even started, my family lived “paycheck to pcycheck...” ~RDS

I guess that’s why you keep telling us “you admire poor people.” Afterall, it’s a “better way to live” isn’t it?

My family was never what most people would call “well off.” I grew up very middle class.  But I can remember the “days of my youth” as well as you do RDS.  My dad always seemed to be able to buy a new car every 4 or 5 years.  How many Americans do that today?  Why not?

As long as people have worked for a salary, there have been those who have lived paycheck-to-paycheck.  The issue that is largely responsible for the condition is a high expense-to-income ratio, not a mean-spirited retailer.

“a high expense-to-income ratio” ~RJT

This is Robert’s fancy way of telling us that people’s salaries/wages have not kept pace with prices.

how did walmart create the paycheck to paycheck thing when other companies have been doing the same darn thing forever?you folks are idiots on here if you buy all that b.s.

Screwedby,

“My family was never what most people would call “well off.” I grew up very middle class.  But I can remember the “days of my youth” as well as you do RDS.  My dad always seemed to be able to buy a new car every 4 or 5 years.  How many Americans do that today?  Why not?”

Well, at least you were ‘middle class’, I grew up ‘poor’!!  My dad would buy a ‘used’ car, every 7 or 8 years, a car that was about 7 or 8 years old, for about $200 to $300!!  My first car was in 1961, a 1948 Nash, I paid $35.00 for!!  Why can’t most Americans buy a ‘new’ car every 4 or 5 years now, mainly because of financing, back then a ‘top end’ car cost about $3,500.00 (or about $4,000.00 with interest), so you could finance for about 3 years, now, that same ‘top end’ car would cost about $25,000.00 (or about $30,750.00 with interest), that requires 6 years to pay off!!  Trading off every 4 or 5 years, would require transferring a balance from your old car, as it would not be paid off yet!!  I remember in 1965, a ‘new’ Corvette ‘stingray’ cost $4,000.00, what does a Corvette cost today?

You need to learn about ‘compounding interest’, that also explains ‘compounding inflation’, ‘coumpounding prices’, and ‘compounding taxes’!!

“This is Robert’s fancy way of telling us that people’s salaries/wages have not kept pace with prices.”

And, they NEVER will, because there are more to prices, than just wages!!  There are increased cost to product, because of other’s rising wages, increased taxes, increased benefit costs, increased utility costs and increased maintainence costs!!  No matter how much a company raises wages, it will never cover the increase in added to prices!!  That’s why as the years go by, people fall farther and farther behind!!

“I guess that’s why you keep telling us “you admire poor people.” Afterall, it’s a “better way to live” isn’t it?”

I don’t admire poor people, if they are lifelong “poor’ people, I do have respect for those who can pull themselves out of ‘poverty’ though!!  I didn’t say it was a ‘better life’, I said it was an ‘easier life’ to deal with!!

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I think RDS just shot himself in the foot again!

“I didn’t say it was a ‘better life’...” ~RDS on Poverty

“I also get a charge out of ‘Sanford and Son”, “Green Acres” and ‘Good times” as well, because they show how people accept ‘poverty’ as being the best way of life.” ~RDS

It sounds to me like you did!

“My family was never what most people would call “well off.” I grew up very middle class.  But I can remember the “days of my youth” as well as you do RDS.  My dad always seemed to be able to buy a new car every 4 or 5 years.  How many Americans do that today?  Why not? “

That is the biggest piece of crap I have ever heard.  There are a lot of people that are buying cars and trading them in every few years.  Since you are proving your point with personal experience I guess I can do the same.  My family also was middle class and my parents never had a new car until us kids moved out of the house, and I have been able to buy one every few years on my Walmart income.  I suppose that would mean that Walmart is a better employer than what was considered middle class years ago.

Screwedby,

I guess you need lessons in comprehension, you are getting as bad as Alex!!

“they show how people accept ‘poverty’ as being the best way of life.”

The ‘TV shows’ are making the statement, that it is a ‘better way of life’, not ME!!

Being ‘middle class’ all your life, you probably NEVER had the chance to actually LIVE with ‘poor’ people, they are probably just people you crossed the street to avoid, as you felt ‘pity’ for them!!  I’ve seen your house, out there in the suberbs, away from all those Wal-Mart type customers!!  Is that YOUR house or is it your mother’s and you just live there?

When I grew up, I was the oldest of 7 kids and we lived in a small 2 bedroom house and us kids had to ‘go without’ most of the time, because dad was saving for the ‘new house’ and at age 15, my family BUILT that ‘new house’ (a 3 bedroom ranch), and we actually built it with our own hands,(No contractor), from the ground up, basement to roof!!  I learned during at that time, what my dad always told us, “If you can’t afford to pay cash for something, you don’t need it that bad”, in other words, “stay out of debt”, it was good advice and has served me well!!  My dad NEVER had a ‘new’ car until after all the kids moved out, the late 1980’s!!

It’s funny, but I like Wal-Mart because they don’t do as much to encourage the ‘consumer’ mindset.  They offer basics.  Just walk through a store.  You get food, cough medicine, shampoo, toilet paper, sheets, basic household goods, inexpensive basic clothing, plants, paint, diapers, pet food, etc. 

The only ‘frilly’ departments would be electronics, toys, garden, sporting goods?  And even there you don’t find $7,000 Magnolia LCD tvs, you find $500 LCD tvs.

Where people go wrong is when they try to own all of the new and fancy stuff.  Individuals tend to create their own paycheck to paycheck lifestyle based on their own decisions.  There are tons of things people can do but don’t.  This includes:  Get rid of cable, or your TV entirely.  Buy a small house (or mobile homes.  These are great for first time low income buyers.  Build equity instead of rent.  Don’t let vanity outweigh common sense.) Drive used cars.  Don’t eat out.  Buy used whenever possible.  Get rid of you cell phone.  Don’t acquire credit card debt (except in emergencies.) Find low expense hobbies (go to a park instead of a movie.) Don’t buy every new release DVD. 

As said before, STAY MARRIED.  Child care is freakishly expensive.  Avoid this, and it is a huge step toward financial independence.  My wife stays at home, but we have friends who insist on owning everything new.  They both work, so my wife makes $400 per month by watching their child.

Build equity instead of rent.

Excellent suggestions, Scott...um...however, it’s a little tough to build equity in a mobile home.

No mortgage, no car payments, and the rest is manageable.
And, as much as possible, stay away from insurance!

“There are a lot of issues here, but what they add up to is the end of the age of Wal-Mart,” contends Richard Hastings, a senior analyst for the retail rating agency Bernard Sands. “The glory days are over.”

Scott,

Nicely put!!  There is five other things I felt as very valuable:

1.) Budget, based on your ‘normal’ work schedule, and put all ‘overtime’ money into a IRA retirement plan,

2.) Don’t cash your check at a store, put the money in the bank (checking account) and pay bills first, then go shopping with what’s left over,

3.) Keep a monthly spending record of EVERY penny spent during the month, this allows you to SEE places where wasteful spending occurs and places where spending can be cut!!  Treat EVERY penny as if it were important to your life!!,

4.) Pay bills as soon as you can, before you spend the money on other things, and,

5.) Make saving a monthly BILL and pay that BILL FIRST!!

Ken V,
My wife and her sister bought a mobile home before I met her.  I rented until I was 26.  When we got married, she sold her mobile home, and is still getting paid monthly.  I had little to show for 8 years of living on my own.

If someone buys a $20,000 mobile home, they pay lot rent and utilities, but the payment is much cheaper than buying even a modest house.  The mobile home itself often costs as much as a new car, which can be paid off in full in 5-7 years.  If they choose, they can continue staying in the mobile home, only paying lot rent (or buy land with the intent of building a house,) or they can sell it and use the money as a down payment in a house. 

This is a great way to have a mortgage free life. 

And I realize it’s not always possible to have NO car payment, but stay away from it as much as possible.  This lowers insurance.  The cars I’ve owned have been a 1982 Chevy Celebrity, $2000, a 85 dodge 600, $800, a 95 Ford Aspire, $2,000, a 98 Chevy Blazer, $11,000, and a 1990 Geo Prizm, $2000.

The only two I’ve had monthly payments on were the Aspire and the Blazer, the Aspire being a 2 year loan, and the blazer a 5 year.  Once I paid off the blazer, I cut close ot $400 per month with payment and insurance. 

I’ve been driving since 1993, or 15 years, and I’ve spent a total of $17,800 on cars.  That’s just about $1200 per year, or $100 per month.  Take out my splurge on the blazer, and it’s under $50 per month for car.  Yes, I’ve had some repairs, but no more on the old cars than the newer ones I’ve owned.

Ken V,

Also, you should be able to get homeowners insurance on a small house/mobile home for fairly cheap.  I think my house is somewhere in the $50/month range.  Car insurance can be had for $50 - $100 with a decently clean record, especially if you are driving a 1990 Prizm! 

Medical insurance, even at WM, is not that bad.  So long as you understand the proper use of insurance, that is.  If you get car insurance with the expectation that it should cover tire changes and basic maintenance, you are wrong. 

Wal-Mart offers a low cost insurance that has no life time maximimum (That was the part of the Shank case that got overlooked.  WM ‘crappy’ insurance ‘only’ paid $470,000.)

So, for under $100 per month, a family can be covered for medical, and there is a maximum out of pocket of (not exactly sure here) close to $2,000 per year, or another $166 in a worst case scenario. 

So absolute worst case scenario, say your kid had leukemia, if you had WM insurance, you would still only pay a total of $250 per month.  This is less than most people pay monthly for a car.

While Wal-Mart makes twice as much profit as Costco, Sinegal believes its better business to make a nice profit, but not a killing, and to invest more in Costco’s 92,000 workers. “I don’t see what’s wrong with an employee earning enough to be able to buy a house or having a health plan for the family,” he says.

Costco CEO Says Higher Minimum Wage Means ‘Better Jobs and Wages’
by Mike Hall, Jan 31, 2007

The Costco chief certainly knows what he’s talking about. His successful venture, launched in 1983, now has 130,000 workers and operates 504 stores, where the average worker makes $17 an hour and the lowest-paid earns $11 an hour. It’s good business sense says Sinegal.
http://blog.aflcio.org/2007/01/31/
costco-ceo-says-higher-minimum-wage-means-better-jobs-
and-wages/

Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton once said, “I pay low wages. I can take advantage of that. We’re going to be successful, but the basis is a very low-wage, low-benefit model of employment.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart#_note-
iswalmartgood

“Is Wal-Mart Good for America?” PBS. November 16, 2004. Retrieved on February 24, 2007.

Working at WalMart is like working at the morgue. Your ‘living wage’ job was killed and the endless autopsy reads “died from Global Labor Arbitrage and low wage exploitation of labor”. WalMart crematorium slaves cash their meager paychecks as if they are death certificates sign by the Waltons and Lee Scott. WalMart is a poverty engine for America’s workforce operated by “low wage no benefit” economic undertakers in Bentonville.

Joe the average American anti-communist says…

“Just because they shut the factory here in the United States and moved it to China doesn’t mean they exported my job overseas. WalMart has explained to me how it was my fault for having a decent paying job in the first place. Did you want freedom fries with that?”

WalMart- We may not be the only American economic cemetery, but apparently we are the largest. We make you feel good living in Bentonville’s sterile monotone immorality of cultural nihilism?

working at ufcw union grocery stores,k-mart and target are much worse and they treat their workers worse sdv.dont give me any b.s about how costco pays 41,000 a yr they dont to everyone.

“Costco worker makes about $42,000, and the company foots 92% of its workers’ health insurance tab.”
http://www.laborresearch.org/print.php?id=391

Indeed, Costco’s pay is much, much, much better-a full-time Costco clerk or warehouse worker earns more than $41,000 a year, plus getting terrific health-care coverage. Wal-Mart workers get barely a third of that pay, plus a lousy health-care plan. Costco even has unions!

What Sinegal has proven is that a company doesn’t have to be ruthless. Being humane and ethical can also make you money.
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“We always want a wide gap between us and the competition,” Coscto’s CFO Richard Galanti told the Seattle Post Intelligencer. “It shows in the quality of our employees…It’s what our founders want to do in paying a family wage.”

“Given Costco’s performance, the question for Wall Street shouldn’t be why Costco isn’t more like Wal-Mart. Rather, why can’t Wal-Mart deliver high shareholder returns and high living standards for its workforce? Says Costco CEO James D. Sinegal: “Paying your employees well is not only the right thing to do but it makes for good business.”

“The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s throat for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty.”
Abraham Lincoln

WalMart- The wolf would be our natural corporate emblem.

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OH - OH, SDV is having his ‘Costco is the greatest’ FLASHBACKS again, rehashing his same old ‘cut and pastes’ from last year, all over again!!  Reruns - Short on ‘new’ material, I guess!!

most workers at costco sdv do not get full time work pal.your 41,000 dollar logic is full of b.s.sand costco dont pay 17 dollars an hr either to eveyone again debunking your logic.even at 17 an hr and full time work i researched it and it dont even come close rtto 41,000 sdv its more like gross of 30,000 to 33,000 debunking your 41,000 a yr garbage.take home is around 25,000 to 28,000 a yr.check your math and facts before you ever post on here again sdv.

Post research vantress instead of just lying. Give the documentation of facts and sources. You never have had the integrity to do that just like RDS never has the capability, integrity or sensibility to respond to the Costco business model or anything else with honest dialogue. You both keep using inane 3rd grade bullshit as internet spray paint graffiti thinking you have merit in intelligent discussion.

WalMart- Those Costco facts are damning to what we are all about. Bentonville needs propaganda to survive. Ergo a pro WalMart internet fraud group courtesy of Edelman to preach the ‘virtures of selfishness’ and proclaim the imbecility of supposed devotees to WalMart. Google ‘WalMart Edelman’ and know the truth about the internet fakes and cultural sleazebags in the WalMart ‘war room’.

Wal-Mart / Edelman, Part Two: Will the Real Bloggers Please Stand Up?

O’Dwyer’s has more revelations about the multifaceted fakery engaged in by Wal-Mart and its PR firm, Edelman. Edelman staffers have been posing as “grassroots” bloggers on two Wal-Mart websites, for the Working Families for Wal-Mart front group and paidcritics....
The paid bloggers are Edelman’s Miranda Gill, Brian McNeill and Kate Marshall.
http://www.prwatch.org/node/5317

“In terms of PR strategies, Rubel last year told BusinessWeek that the first job for companies is to monitor the blogs to see what people are saying about them. The next step is to think of damage-control strategies. And when blogs attack, he says companies have to learn to track what blogs are talking about, pinpoint influential bloggers, and figure out how to...”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15319926/

WalMart- When we say “jump”, our ‘war room’ internet frauds say “how high?” And somebody find out if propaganda slobs, shills, fakes and twits can be procured cheaper in India or Nigeria than these $10 million Edelman ‘war room’ fees.

Costco is a different type of company than Walmart that requires a lot less personel for their sales since they deal so much with small businesses that make such large purchases.  This allows them to pay more than Walmart.  As proof of this Walmart makes just over $6000 profit per employee, and Costco makes close to $15,500 profit per employee.  So even with Costco supposedly paying so much more than Walmart, they still make well over twice as much per employee as Walmart does.

“It is not considered an argument that Costco, No. 28 in the Fortune 500, is the fourth-largest retailer in the country and the seventh-largest in the world.”
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391725/index.htm?postversion=2006102515

“In fact, Costco has outperformed Wal-Mart on the stock market over the last five years. The real reason for the difference in compensation and benefits is that Costco employees have much lower turnover, better interaction with customers and are more productive than Wal-Mart’s workers.”
“For example, Costco Wholesale pays its workers $17 an hour on average, while its competitor, Wal-Mart’s Sam’s Club, pays only $10 an hour on average.”

James O’Toole and Edward E. Lawler III are professors at the University of Southern California’s Marshall School of Business and authors of The New American Workplace (Palgrave-MacMillan, 2006).
http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/24/corporate-layoffs-costs-oped-cx_jot_0425jobs

“Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.”
Mark Twain, Pudd’nhead Wilson (1894)

The real reason WalMart exploits its workers unlike Costco is quoted by sam Walton himself…

Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton once said, “I pay low wages. I can take advantage of that. We’re going to be successful, but the basis is a very low-wage, low-benefit model of employment.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart#_note-
iswalmartgood

“Is Wal-Mart Good for America?” PBS. November 16, 2004. Retrieved on February 24, 2007.

WalMart- Our Edelman internet propaganda ‘war room’ is our best effort to make WalMart look good by trying to make Costco or others look bad. It is either that or we would need to change/bury/camouflage our ‘love of money’ psychopathy and Sam’s business model-

...she sold her mobile home, and is still getting paid monthly.

That’s my point. You wife protected her equity in her mobile home by carrying the paper.

...it’s a little tough to build equity in a mobile home.

Trying to sell to someone that needed a bank loan would have made recouping her equity a little more difficult. Bankers are reluctant to mortgage used mobile homes. That’s all I’m saying.

Ken,

Ok, but I guess my point was that the money she spent monthly was invested, and she’s getting money back.  Paying rent is a loss that you never see a return on.

sdv come up with something new not the same old tired b.s. you post on here.not everyone at costco is as well paid and happy as you think.

The paid bloggers are Edelman’s Miranda Gill, Brian McNeill and Kate Marshall.

Hey, Someone, is your name among those?  I think your mistake was trying to appeal to Bentonville with your pro Wal-Mart piffle. You need to find a way to suck up to Dick Edelman directly.

“When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it seems like two hours; that’s relativity.” ~ Albert Einstein

shut up ken.

“It’s funny, but I like Wal-Mart because they don’t do as much to encourage the ‘consumer’ mindset.”
Scott in
Friday, May 09 at 01:33 PM

“When engaging the audience in dialogue, credibility and transparency is key, as Rubel noted with his own case study from Edleman PR’s blogging campaign for Wal-Mart.
Rubel told the audience that Edelman ran a blogging war-room for Wal-Mart where they identified the most pro- and anti-Wal-Mart bloggers and engaged them on a daily basis with...”

http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3606591

“The war room staff arrives at Wal-Mart’s headquarters, a short drive from a nearby corporate apartment where they live, by 7 every morning. The group works out of an old conference room on the second floor, christened Action Alley, the same name Wal-Mart gives to the wide, circular aisle that runs around its stores.”

http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/2039/9/

“The contract went to Edelman, which assigned its top two Washington operatives to the account. Wal-Mart would not say what it is paying Edelman, nor would it allow interviews with the war room staff.”
Michael Barbaro, The New York Times

“Scott” More typical and total bullshit from you shills and frauds in the paid abnormal devotion to WalMart.

Your other example…

“I just made a trip to Walmart Superstore this morning.  I needed to pick up some food items on my grocery list.  While I was at it I found great prices on Angel Soft toilet paper, Walmart brand paper plates, Oscar Mayer hot dogs, and Ziploc freezer bags.  I also had a chance to swing over to the automotive section to get some Penzoil oil and Fram filters for my car and the pet department to get some goldfish food.  It’s nice to know I have a one-stop-shop where I can get alot of NAME BRAND QUALITY PRODUCTS THAT I NEED at great prices and it saved me time, money and gas from having to also stop at Pep Boys and Petsmart.

That’s why I shop at Walmart and why no person can convince me otherwise that it’s a bad place to go.  It would have cost me alot more at Safeway and the other stores for the same things.”

Richard K in
Sunday, May 11 at 04:12 PM

WalMart- We pay Edelman to run our ‘war room’ with trolls, shills, fakes and the other blogger frauds that write WalMart worship hymns here and elsewhere on the internet. Propaganda frauds brought to you by WalMart and further polluting the U.S. culture with more lies, distortions and obvious bullshit stories and comments.

“It’s funny, but I like Wal-Mart because they don’t do as much to encourage the ‘consumer’ mindset.”
Scott in
Friday, May 09 at 01:33 PM

“When engaging the audience in dialogue, credibility and transparency is key, as Rubel noted with his own case study from Edleman PR’s blogging campaign for Wal-Mart.
Rubel told the audience that Edelman ran a blogging war-room for Wal-Mart where they identified the most pro- and anti-Wal-Mart bloggers and engaged them on a daily basis with...”

http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3606591

“The war room staff arrives at Wal-Mart’s headquarters, a short drive from a nearby corporate apartment where they live, by 7 every morning. The group works out of an old conference room on the second floor, christened Action Alley, the same name Wal-Mart gives to the wide, circular aisle that runs around its stores.”

http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/2039/9/

“The contract went to Edelman, which assigned its top two Washington operatives to the account. Wal-Mart would not say what it is paying Edelman, nor would it allow interviews with the war room staff.”
Michael Barbaro, The New York Times

“Scott” More typical and total bullshit from you shills and frauds in the paid abnormal devotion to WalMart.

Your other example…

“I just made a trip to Walmart Superstore this morning.  I needed to pick up some food items on my grocery list.  While I was at it I found great prices on Angel Soft toilet paper, Walmart brand paper plates, Oscar Mayer hot dogs, and Ziploc freezer bags.  I also had a chance to swing over to the automotive section to get some Penzoil oil and Fram filters for my car and the pet department to get some goldfish food.  It’s nice to know I have a one-stop-shop where I can get alot of NAME BRAND QUALITY PRODUCTS THAT I NEED at great prices and it saved me time, money and gas from having to also stop at Pep Boys and Petsmart.

That’s why I shop at Walmart and why no person can convince me otherwise that it’s a bad place to go.  It would have cost me alot more at Safeway and the other stores for the same things.”

Richard K in
Sunday, May 11 at 04:12 PM

WalMart- We pay Edelman to run our ‘war room’ with trolls, shills, fakes and the other blogger frauds that write WalMart worship hymns here and elsewhere on the internet. Propaganda frauds brought to you by WalMart and further polluting the U.S. culture with more lies, distortions and obvious bullshit stories and comments.

The only “bullshit” stories I see posted here are your comments SanDiegoView in WalMart is a pesticide unto itself.  Nothing “bullshit” about my shopping visit.  I’ve got the receipt to prove it.  I’d think your services would be better served in the political arena because of the lies you post.  Boy are you full of yourself.

And so once again The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) adds another entry under WalMart Worship Disorder noting the evidence submitted by Richard K as a type 2 abnormal Bentonville devotee and cultist.

WalMart- We want to thank all the taxpayer suckers for the billions in subsidies we have received. The billionaire Waltons want to especially thank Richard K for his contributions.

I guess the truth hurts doesn’t it SandiegoView.  So all you can do is stick to the “company line” of everyone must be wrong and I am right no matter how much truth they have in their statements.  Wow, you’re a keeper.  I’ll bet your bosses in the real world love you.

“The propagandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.” Aldous Huxley, The Olive Tree (1937)

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

WalMart- We may not be the only American economic cemetery, but apparently we are the largests

One thing is for certain, the Castro Wright family will unlikely be affected by recession. Check out the proxy disclosures on the thread about shareholders,2008. Eduardo’s brother,Mauricio, is head of the Brazil operations. Go check out his salary and benefit package.

SDV,

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” ~ Daniel Patrick Moynihan

That is a ‘good’ one for you, WHEN did YOU EVER present FACTS?  All you ever do, is quote others, post hate, take things ‘out of context’ from the Bible, and spew fancy sounding words, to make yourself look intelligent (when in fact, your posts look a lot like the SPAM posts here, a bunch of words, that have no real connection to your twisted subject)!!

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” ~ Daniel Patrick Moynihan

RDS, the overarching pattern I see in posts from the anti-Walmart crowd is an incessant use of quotes.  It appears the crowd has a hard time composing original thoughts!

Why so many pro wm on a anti wm site?

SDV, can you explain how shopping for “food, cough medicine, shampoo, toilet paper, sheets, basic household goods, inexpensive basic clothing, plants, paint, diapers, pet food, etc.” is being part of the consumer culture?  Even Amish people buy these things. 

Being wrapped up in our modern consumer culture involves buying a bunch of junk that you don’t need just to keep up with your neighbors. 

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone of you anti-WM types accuse WM of being a trendy hotspot.

Why so many pro wm on a anti wm site?

They are a lost and lonely bunch, ill, craving even negative attention. They are worse than the money-grubbers they worship.

(Besides, all the pro Wal-Mart sites were bogus!:o)

“The Bentonville Syndrome comes into play when a captive cannot escape and is isolated and threatened with unemployment, but is shown token acts of kindness by Wal-Mart. It typically takes about three or four days for the psychological shift to take hold.

A strategy of trying to keep Wal-Mart happy in order to stay employed becomes an obsessive identification with the likes and dislikes of Wal-Mart which has the result of warping your own psyche in such a way that you come to sympathize with your tormenter!”

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Friday, July 15, 2005
Find milk, soap - a mate? at the Roanoke Wal-Mart
The store on U.S. 220 has introduced Singles Shopping. Just look for the red bows.
By Courtney Cutrig

You’re single. It’s Friday night and you’re wondering where to meet other unattached individuals. You don’t want to go to a bar.

You’ve heard of people finding love in the produce aisle of the grocery store, but does that really happen?

It could - at Wal-Mart.

The Wal-Mart on U.S. 220 in Roanoke has introduced Singles Shopping, an opportunity for singles to meet while stocking up on milk, underwear, snacks and small appliances. The concept started at Wal-Marts in Germany.

Michelle McGenity, a cashier at the Wal-Mart on 220, first heard about Singles Shopping on a television newscast. She did some research on the Internet and learned of its popularity and success in Europe. McGenity presented the idea to a co-worker, Lindsey Hull, the store’s coordinator for Children’s Miracle Network fundraising activities.

“We thought it would be a great way to raise money,” Hull said.

Hull said Amy Wyatt, a corporate communications spokeswoman for Wal-Mart, told her the Wal-Mart on 220 is the first in the United States to host Singles Shopping.

The event - launched three weeks ago - is free to any singles who want to participate, but $1 donations to the Children’s Miracle Network are accepted.

Singles Shopping
Where:
Wal-Mart, 4210 Franklin Road (U.S. 220), Roanoke
Time:
6 to 9 p.m., every Friday, including tonight

Admissions:
Free, $1 donations accepted

How to participate:
Let the greeter know you’re there for Singles Shopping to receive a red bow for your shopping cart.

From 6 to 9 p.m. every Friday, singles can cruise Wal-Mart in search of a soul mate. To ease the tension, red bows are attached to singles’ shopping carts to denote their availability.

Another way to break the ice is with “flirt points” set up in various sections of the store. The points highlight items singles might buy - from CDs and DVDs to chocolate and candles.

“It is a good way to introduce yourself,” Hull said of the designated flirt points.

Tonight, a large heart in the electronic sections will be in place to attract singles and to spark conversation. Another flirt point is expected to be set up in the candy aisle.

McGenity, a 25-year-old Roanoker who is single, plans to participate in tonight’s event.

Cory Hoyt, a Boones Mill resident who was shopping at the 220 Wal-Mart on Thursday, said his mother told him about the attraction for singles.

“Something like this might be interesting,” he said.

Hoyt, 27, said he doesn’t have much of a social life because of a hectic work schedule.

“I am not a big party guy,” Hoyt said. “I used to do karaoke, but I don’t go to bars much now.”

An article last year in the National Post, a Canadian newspaper, said Singles Shopping took off in Germany because people weren’t having much success meeting others in discos. As many as 250 to 300 singles show up weekly and 30 German couples who met at Singles Shopping events have married, the article said.

The retail giant also obtained a trademark for the name “Singles Shopping” to prevent competitors from pilfering the concept~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Note: WalMart and Germany went their separate ways. I don’t know about if the German couples wound up going their separate ways,too.

Please excuse the advertisement header. I hit submit button inadvertently.

I hit submit button inadvertently.

You do that quite a bit don’t you, dear????

John McCain and Hillary Clinton were walking down the street and came to a homeless person. The Republican, John McCain, gave him his business card and told him to come to his office for a job. He then took $20 out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person. Hillary was impressed, so when they came to another homeless person, she stepped forward to help. She gave him directions to the welfare office, then reached into McCain’s pocket and got out another $20. She kept $15 for administrative costs and gave the homeless person $5.

Now, do you understand the difference?

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bbrd: Deal with it.

sdv and ken are always full of bs and can never back up what they say on here.

John McCain and Hillary Clinton

Hillary who?

**Note to dd:

Remember when we measured success by having a stalker? Well, you have one and he’s easy to spot. He’s the one carrying a torch.

Like they used to say in the Nam: “It don’t mean nothin’!”

....the overarching pattern I see in posts from the anti-Walmart crowd is an incessant use of quotes.  It appears the crowd has a hard time composing original thoughts!

Isn’t that the truth, RJT?

Actually, it’s all pretty predictable, when you take a look at the principal “anti-WM players”:

- Ken V always tags his ramblings with a snippet from presumably “ordinary people” (though I recently made issue as to whether or not these statements were “real").

- SVD (the resident hypocrite) either quotes scripture, or sings the praises of Costco (I do know that if Costco members successfully refer new members, they get extra time added onto their membership—maybe that’s his game).

- ddrb just waves her “magic mouse curser” across the screen, picks-up whatever’s highlighted, and brings it all here for our reading enjoyment.  How special is that??

As for originality, I would have to say Mr. Screwed does get high marks for that (since he’s been here from early-on)—that is, except when he gets on his “Rubbermaid tangent"…

bbrd: And would you please allow us the opportunity to luxuriate in some brief examples YOUR original thoughts? I only see you run defense. Where are examples of original thoughts that are not a” defense” of WalMart or a derisive personal attack on another blogger?I have seen little content,but a great deal of malcontent and discontent in your remarks. A hired gun? Even the imagery is that of weaponry and warfare-"… on the trigger,""shooting down...”,etc. ,etc. A cyber stalker with a penchant for a “shock and awe” mindset. Sounds threatening ,doesn’t it?I didn’t think this site allowed threatening behaviors.

Ahem…

” defense” of WalMart...

Wal-Mart doesn’t need defending—especially, if folks like you are the worst thing WM has to worry about

...derisive personal attack on another blogger?

Like that hasn’t happened before when the shoe was on the other foot…

...but a great deal of malcontent and discontent...

My dear, this whole website was built on “malcontent and discontent”—it’s not exactly Good Housekeeping, y’know…

Even the imagery is that of weaponry and warfare-"… on the trigger,""shooting down...”,etc. ,etc.

That’s funny, considering I don’t own/use any weaponry of any sort.  Sounds to me like your paranoia is getting out of control, again…

A cyber stalker with a penchant for a “shock and awe” mindset. Sounds threatening ,doesn’t it?I didn’t think this site allowed threatening behaviors.

Tell you what—since you’re such an “expert” at finding stuff, look back in these archives to see if I have evermade any sort of threatening statement, as I take exception at your weak, pathetic “pot shot"…

As for the “stalker” thing, let’s face it, you’re just not my type (original statement), so stop flattering yourself…

bbrd: You have attempted to address(sort of) most of the points in my earlier post except the first point--WHERE ARE YOUR original thoughts (and examples)that are either not attacks on other bloggers,or a defense of WalMart? As Ken pointed out in an earlier post, your penchant for increasingly personal posts about other bloggers are inappropriate and would be better suited to a chat room or other venue where veiled threats and innuendo are considered acceptable.

P.S.: Since I’m not your type(Thank God),and YOU most assuredly are not mine,perhaps you will cease and desisit referring to me as ,My Dear?

Original, quotable thought...

“I like to shop at my neighborhood Wal-Mart.  Period.

Good enough for you?

bbrd:"the opportunity to luxuriate in some brief examples YOUR original thoughts? “ ddrb~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “I like to shop at my neighborhood Wal-Mart.  Period.  bbrd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Very limited luxury ,indeed ,in either context.

you people are retarted

dean: Did you mean retarded or retorted?

bbrd,

“I like to shop at my neighborhood Wal-Mart.  Period.  bbrd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Very limited luxury ,indeed ,in either context.” ~ ddrb

Don’t you know that you are supposed to search the web and post (cut and paste) a lenghty diatribe, to explain the reason that you “like to shop at my neighborhood Wal-Mart. Period.”, like ddrb does?

If ddrb, is truly your EX, it is not hard to see why!!

My take on all this is, if I want some Hot Dogs and Wal-Mart is cheaper than the other stores, I will buy it there!!  I don’t question if Wal-Mart is looking out for my health, because of the nutritional value of Hot Dogs, or some guy at the Hot Dog plant got fired for missing too much work or if some textile company went out of business today, or if the guy at Wal-Mart with 25 kids can’t make a living cleaning toilets, what I want, are some Hot Dogs, because I’m hungry for them, Period!!

Long time readers of this blog/comment forum will have noticed a pattern whenever we get a fresh influx of pro Wal-Mart posters.

First, they think they are going to dazzle us with their logic. Instead, they exhume all the old, tired, discredited arguments in favor of Wal-Mart.

Next, they to play the Semantic Game parsing individual words and phrases, i.e.: “Define ‘wage slave’!” or “Define ‘living wage’.”

And now we’ve deteriorated down to the point where the pro Wal-Mart bunch will try to convince readers they have the corner on “original thought”.

It is to laugh!” ~ Bugs Bunny

“...what I want, are some Hot Dogs, because I’m hungry for them, Period!!”

And when you’re hungry for hot dogs RDS, do you first canvass or survery at least 2 other stores before you buy them at Wal-Mart?  If you don’t, then how can you be sure that Wal-Mart’s price is the lowest in any given week?  Do you do weekly price comparisons on EVERYTHING you buy at Wal-Mart?

OK… I’m done with the hot dog thing for good!  I promise!

Hey Ken… We’ve noticed!

“...the pro Wal-Mart bunch will try to convince readers they have the corner on “original thought”.

I’m glad you said, “try to convince.” People like RDS and the rest of the posters who believe they are helping Wal-Mart to stay in business, couldn’t have “an original thought” if you drilled a hole in their head, poured in some thoughts, and then used some Gorilla Glue to seal up the hole, so the thoughts didn’t come pouring back out!

Screwedby,

“And when you’re hungry for hot dogs RDS, do you first canvass or survery at least 2 other stores before you buy them at Wal-Mart?”

YES!!

“Do you do weekly price comparisons on EVERYTHING you buy at Wal-Mart?”

Almost EVERYTHING!!

“I’m glad you said, “try to convince."”

We don’t have to convince anyone of anything, Wal-Mart shoppers and workers are already shopping and working there!!  It is you who have to “try to convince” people to STOP shopping and working there!!  And, the FACT that Wal-Mart keeps ‘growing’, shows that you are FAILING!!

And, your ‘original thoughts’ come from some union propaganda and sprawlbusters sites!!

RDS:"And, your ‘original thoughts’ come from some union propaganda and sprawlbusters sites!! “RDS~~~~~~~~~~~And from whence do YOUR UNoriginal thoughts emanate,RDS?

(though I recently made issue as to whether or not these statements were “real").

Are you saying that Bugs Bunny isn’t “real”?

Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren’t very new at all. ~ Abraham Lincoln.

Ken;

How come you keep quoting that Republican, Abraham Lincoln?  I thought you were a Liberal?

I thought you were a Liberal?

I am, Charles. I’m a tree-huggin’, Lincoln-lovin’, Yellow Dog-votin’, commie, pinko, scum, LIBERAL!

Bruxism

Ken V: Didn’t you forget to mention latte drinkin’ and arugula eatin’,too?