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Wal-Mart Dealt a Union Blow in Canada

The Regina Leader-Post is reporting that an application for reconsideration of union certification at Wal-Mart’s Weyburn store has been dismissed by the Labour Relations Board of Saskatchewan.

This ongoing battle hit the headlines back in December of last year, when after four years of legal wrangling, Wal-Mart workers in Weyburn, Saskatchewan were granted union status. The Saskatchewan Labour Relations Board granted union certification last year to the Weyburn store, where a majority of the workers had indicated their support to form a union through card signings. In 2004. Over four years prior.

Meanwhile, last year also saw provincial legislation approved which required a secret ballot be held to certify a union, meaning the previous practice in which a union could be certified through the card-signing practice without a secret ballot was no longer valid. Sensing an opening, Wal-Mart filed to have the Weyburn certification reconsidered since, after all, back in 2004 the employees didn’t conduct a secret ballot. But the argument has gone for naught, as the Saskatchewan Labour Relations Board held that the requirement passed in 2008 will not apply to the union certification which begun back in 2004.

“In the Board’s opinion, when the Union filed an application for certification together with sufficient evidence of majority support in accordance with state of the law at that time, they completed all procedures within their control to complete under the procedures in place,’’ the labour board said.

“At that point in time, their reliance on the state of the law crystallized into a right, a tangible and particular legal right protected under the common law presumption against retrospectively,’’ the labour board ruled.

Boo-yah, Wal-Mart. Boo-yah. Not surprisingly, Wal-Mart plans to appeal. We’d say we’re surprised, but, well, you know.

Labour relations board rules against Wal-Mart [Regina Leader-Post]

REGINA—An application by Wal-Mart for reconsideration of the certification of a union at the company’s Weyburn store has been dismissed by the Labour Relations Board of Saskatchewan.

The board ruled that changes in the province’s labour law last year — which ended the practice by which a union could be certified without a secret ballot if a majority of workers at a workplace had signed union cards — should not be applied to the Weyburn Wal-Mart situation that dates back almost five years.

Local 1400 of the United Food and Commercial Workers union originally filed an application to represent the Weyburn Wal-Mart workers on April 19, 2004, based on the contention that more than half the workers had signed union cards.

But delays and legal wrangling meant that the labour relations board did not make a ruling to certify the union at the store until Dec. 4, 2008.

Provincial legislation approved in May, 2008 means that a secret ballot must be held to certify a union and that the previous practice in which a union could be certified through the card-signing practice without a secret ballot is no longer valid.

But that new law cannot be applied retroactively with respect to the Wal-Mart case, the labour relations board said, in a written decision issued March 26.

“In the Board’s opinion, when the Union filed an application for certification together with sufficient evidence of majority support in accordance with state of the law at that time, they completed all procedures within their control to complete under the procedures in place,’’ the labour board said.

“At that point in time, their reliance on the state of the law crystallized into a right, a tangible and particular legal right protected under the common law presumption against retrospectively,’’ the labour board ruled.

The labour board also rejected several other arguments for reconsideration of the case that were made by representatives of Wal-Mart.

Mike Wainwright, one of three members of the labour relations board panel that ruled on the case, issued a dissenting opinion from the majority ruling.

“The procedure for a vote is determined when the Board issues its decision and makes it Order,’’ Wainwright argued.

“By the time the Board issued the Order, the Act had changed and therefore the Board should have ordered a secret ballot vote,’’ Wainwright added, in his dissenting opinion.

A spokesman for Wal-Mart said the company is “extremely disappointed and surprised,’’ by the labour board’s ruling and plans to appeal it in the courts. A union official was unavailable for comment Wednesday.

Posted by Corey Himrod on Thursday, April 02, 2009

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COMMENTS

Yes, yes, Yes All Wal-Mart Stores need a UNION! 

On March 1, 2009, the follow letter was sent to:

Wal-Mart President/CEO H. Lee Scott Jr., and Each Board of Director Member (Respectively)

As a former Wal-Mart Associate, and Department Manager of Sporting Goods at Store 2615, for over three years in Valdosta, Georgia. Where I was wrongfully terminated on March 20, 2008, but have been ignored for nearly a year. But I will not stop in my pursuit of a valid response from Wal-Mart Stores Inc., until I am respected and treated with dignity as a United States Citizen, Worker, and Retired United States Armed Forces Military Veteran.

My previous letters were sent to you (President H. Lee Scott Jr.,), by U.S. Certified Return Receipt Mail on (June 12, 2008), (August 1, 2008), (August 11, 2008), (August 29, 2008), and (December 1, 2008). I did not write these letters to you to be ignored or for my health. But my supervisory, leadership, and management training says that it is unacceptable for EMPLOYEES to be totally ignored by their EMPLOYERS.

In addition, no American worker should be treated as workers in Third World Nations. And for over twenty years I placed my life in harms way for foreign people I did not know. So surely I can, and will fight for my own rights. And for the rights of my fellow Americans here in the homeland in the place of my birth.

Since March 2008, I have been ignored without even a courteous reply from Wal-Mart Stores Inc., However, as a former retail business owner for fourteen years, prior to being employed by Wal-Mart. I cannot and will not remain silent to my unjustified termination and mistreatment. Thereby allowing workers rights to be forever lost in these hard economic times.

You have received five (5), previous letters but chose not to respond to any of them. I must acknowledge. That I had no idea Wal-Mart was so unprofessional and mistreated their workers in this manner. That is until I was terminated. But I assure you that my particular case will not just fade into the sunset to be forgotten.

Nor will I bury my head in the sand like the legend concerning the ostrich bird. That is beneath the rubbish pile of time, space, destiny, and slogans like, save money, and live better. But at what cost to other human beings?

As a former Wal-Mart Employee. I will never accept or pretend that Wal-Mart Stores Inc., and their Executives have become a god beside God. And answers to no one, while treating American workers like workers in China or in some other Third World Nation.

Mr. Lee, you can ignore me. As you have done before. But Galatians 6:7 will forever shine in the direction of truth. “And it is always right, to do right, and even better, to be right.” {G.B.R.}

So as a former Wal-Mart Associate, Department Manager, Former Business Owner for fourteen-years, and Retired United States Armed Forces Veteran of the Vietnam Era. I will not remain silent. Instead I will blow the trumpet as is recorded in the Book of Joel 2nd Chapter. Because I have done too much to be ignored and unjustly terminated without even a courteous reply. As many other outstanding associates that have been unjustly terminated at store #2615.

After nearly a year without even a courteous reply. I am as fresh, determined and committed as ever to be treated as an American Citizens, and not like workers in China or in some other Third World Nation by Wal-Mart.

Again, it is always right, to do right, and even better, to be right. So no American Worker, should say good night, until they have been treated right. {G.B.R.}

Therefore, I will await your response within fifteen days.

Thanks!

GEORGE BOSTON RHYNES
Terminated Untrained Sporting Goods Department Manager
Former Business Owner for Fourteen years
Retired United States Armed Forces Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Active in Community Affairs Since 1975, (Civil and Human Rights Organizations)
Author of Several Writings
Single Parent of Three Children (Now Successful Adults)
A concerned citizen and brother of (ALL) humanity

GBRhynes in Valdosta, Georgia 31605 Store #2615
Thursday, April 02 at 05:02 PM

I agree with you. All Wal-mart stores and Sam’s Club, etc need a union. But please tell us all why did Wal-mart let you go?

no name in
Thursday, April 02 at 08:34 PM

GBRhynes.... You have been pursuing this for over a year and have not heard anything back...... I’ve got one piece of advice for you.... MOVE ON!  Life is too short and your rants are getting you no where.  You go out of your way to prove how competent you are (and I don’t doubt it).  So you should also be smart enough to realize THAT IT’S NOT WORTH IT.

Pat in
Friday, April 03 at 08:21 AM

b.s they need a union.all you get with a union is favoritism and it makes it harder to get rid of and fire lazy and incompetent workers.the wages and benefits will not be much better even with a ufcw union.i worked in ufcw and retail before so i know what i am talking about and i have worked for the ufcw union grocery store and a teamster union grocery warehouse.everything has to be done by seniority with a union and thats not fair.

MATT IN in gresham,oregon
Friday, April 03 at 01:24 PM

b.s they need a union.all you get with a union is favoritism and it makes it harder to get rid of and fire lazy and incompetent workers.the wages and benefits will not be much better even with a ufcw union.i worked in ufcw and retail before so i know what i am talking about and i have worked for the ufcw union grocery store and a teamster union grocery warehouse.everything has to be done by seniority with a union and thats not fair.

MATT IN in gresham,oregon
Friday, April 03 at 01:24 PM

“.....it makes it harder to get rid of and fire lazy and incompetent workers....."~MATT IN in gresham,oregon

So why did you get let go then Matt-y-boy?

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Alex in
Friday, April 03 at 02:33 PM

Once again the Canadian government, in this case the LRB, demonstrates whose side they’re on. Can you imagine a country where the government sticks up for the...ugh...worker??

“There is no perceived risk in attacking Wal-Mart anymore. They have gone from being a business success story to being a cultural villain.” ~ Eric Dezenhall

Ken V in Texas
Friday, April 03 at 08:52 PM

Hi Ken V

You have a new government in power now. I don’t have any dislike for your former President especially since I didn’t know much about him, but I understand that your new one is more on the side of workers. That has to be good news.

Alex

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Alex in Ontario, Canada
Friday, April 03 at 10:37 PM

Alex,

“but I understand that your new one is more on the side of workers. That has to be good news.”

We’ll see how good it is, once the workers have to start paying on that $10 trillion the government is going to spend!!

RDS in
Friday, April 03 at 11:16 PM

“Since I didn’t know much about him.”

Alex, trust me.  To know George W. Bush IS to dislike him.

ScrewedbyWalmart in Anytown, America
Saturday, April 04 at 08:06 AM

Ths only thing that will be more memorable than G.W. Bush is the disdain and and hate they will have for Obama in 30 years as our next generation is struggling to stay relevent in the world under the TRILLIONS of dollars in debt Obama will sack this country with over the next 4 years.

Jonathan in
Saturday, April 04 at 10:45 AM

RDS, Jonathan

You seem to have already forgotten that it was Bushco that handed Obama this mess. It was the DEREGULATION and the tax cuts for the wealthiest people in this country that landed us in this mess.

I know what you are going to say, 911, the war, and Katrina. The problem with that is;
1.) This was NOT a war of necessity. This was a war with a country that did NOT attack us. This was purely a money grab by the Bushco oil cronies. A pure case of “Nation Building” if ever there was one!
2.) 911 was preventable. The right wing love to say that “Bush kept us safe after 911.” But that’s just not the case. Have you all forgotten the ANTHRAX attacks that happened after 911? And what about the fact that the World Trade Center had previously been attacked? The fact is this was a second attack of the WTC and it was under Bushes watch.
3.) Billions given away to his CRONIES at Halliburton in the way of NO BID CONTRACTS. In both Katrina and Iraq, and given to basically all the same companies.
4.) Have you forgotten the fact that Bush had already given away the surplus that he was handed by Clinton.

These are only a few of the problems with your arguments, “the tip of the iceberg” so to speak. 

No. What you are seeing now is the repair of the damage that the Bush administration did to our country.  And now we must fix what he broke! The fact is that the repair is much more costly than the proper maintenance would have ever been.

BUSHES CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!

Big D in
Saturday, April 04 at 12:03 PM

So let me get this straight.  You rail on GW Bush for adding 4 TRILLION dollars to the national debt BUT it’s all right for Obama to add 10 TRILLION more to it?  How is Obama any better?  He’s 2-1/2 times worse!!!  The thing wrong with GW Bush was that he was acting TOO much like a Democratic and spending beyond his means.  The REPUBLICAN CONGRESS handed GW Bush a surplus in 2000 (remember congress establishes budgets not the WH) and the Republican congress handed GW Bush deficit spending from 2001 on.  The Republican congress was wrong and so was GW Bush for signing it.

By handing out TRILLIONS of dollars in our money to organizations that are not worthy AND WE HAVE ZERO ACCOUNTING FOR IT makes no sense what so ever.  Two wrongs don’t make a right and Obama will go down in history as a much worse president than GW Bush with the debt he and the Democratic congress will leave to our children and grandchildren.  It’s unstainable and will ultimately doom our country and our kids down the road.

Jonathan in
Saturday, April 04 at 04:26 PM

JONATHAN:

HERE’S AN IDEA… WHY DON’T PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF, SEAN HANNITY, AND
RUSH LIMBAUGH, ETC. SHUT YOUR BIG PIE HOLES AND GIVE OBAMA THE
8 YEARS LIKE GWB HAD, BEFORE YOU “ENLIGHTEN” US.  ALL THE SORE
LOSERS HAVE BEEN BASHING OBAMA BEFORE THE MOVING VANS ARRIVED
AT THE WHITE HOUSE.

ScrewedbyWalmart in Anytown, America
Saturday, April 04 at 05:44 PM

Screwedby,

“AND GIVE OBAMA THE 8 YEARS LIKE GWB HAD”

The problem IS, that Obama is the one telling everyone how much he is going to SPEND, and heaven help us, if problems like Katrina & Rita come along to raise that budget even higher!!

Let’s say YOU had $120,000.00 debt, would it help you get out of debt, to charge $400,000.00 MORE?  Or, would cut-backs in your spending help you get rid of debt faster?

RDS in
Saturday, April 04 at 11:11 PM

Let’s say YOU had $120,000.00 debt, would it help you get out of debt, to charge $400,000.00 MORE?  Or, would cut-backs in your spending help you get rid of debt faster?

What, me worry?  I live in Mom’s basement! ~ Screwed 2.0

And now, some words from our old buddy, Big D(ip)…

911 was preventable.</b>

Agreed. 

<i>Have you all forgotten the ANTHRAX attacks that happened after 911?

Didn’t they happen mere days after the attacks?  Could you, sir, have done a better job running the country?

And what about the fact that the World Trade Center had previously been attacked?

You’re absolutely right, sir—for history buffs, the first time was February 26, 1993 (about a month into the Clinton presidency).

The fact is this was a second attack of the WTC and it was under Bushes watch.

Or, as I like to put it, the “powers-that-be in ‘93” had 8 years to get it together, and they totally blew it—oh, well, at least “the legacy” was intact...right? 

For those who can’t count, both former presidents got ambushed within 9 months after they took office (and for those who ever had children—no, we’re not talking about you, Screwed 2.0, we know how that played-out for you—that’s not a lot of time for any “real” planning of anything).

Face it Big D(oofus)—you need to go back to your laptop and do a little more homework before you go running your mouth by way of the keyboard.

bbrd in
Sunday, April 05 at 12:00 AM

All you did was manage to bolster my previous claims. Thank you.

But where you’re wrong is; Clinton kept us safe for 8 years after the WTC was first attacked in 93. 9 mo. after Bushco took over and CHOSE to ignore a CIA report that the WTC was going to be attacked again using ”AIRCRAFT (I mean they told the Bush administration how the attack was coming!) But the arrogant bastards CHOSE to ignore the warning and we all know what happened.

As for the anthrax attacks happening “a mere days” after 911. What’s your point? They were separate attacks. And are you somehow saying that it’s OK to let this kind of stuff happen because, well we can’t do more than one thing at a time! The claim of the Bush WH keeping us safe is a LIE plain and simple. Our enemies that attacked us are stronger today than they were prior to 911! How has that made us safer?
ddrb er, someone

The Bush WH was the most inept and corrupt administration that our country has ever had, and history (even with the right wing army out there trying to revise and rewrite the facts of the last 8 years) will show it for what it was. The fact is that every day there are new horrors of the past 8 years of this FASCFESI REGIME coming out of the darkness and from behind closed doors to secret rooms and into the light of day.

Big D in
Sunday, April 05 at 07:12 AM

Sorry that should have read:

The fact is that every day there are new horrors of the past 8 years of this FASCFESI REGIME coming out of the darkness and from behind closed doors of secret rooms and into the light of day.

Big D in
Sunday, April 05 at 07:16 AM

hey alex i was laid off because of slowdown in work not anything i did.layoffs in unions have to be done by seniority and i was at the bottom end.

MATT IN in gresham,oregon
Sunday, April 05 at 07:18 AM

“I was on the bottom end.” - matt

Nah, I won’t.  It’s too obvious.

ScrewedbyWalmart in Anytown, America
Sunday, April 05 at 07:47 AM

“But where you’re wrong is; Clinton kept us safe for 8 years after the WTC was first attacked in 93.”

You mean Clinton did NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING to shut down any semblence of terrorist organizations that were amassing in force during his term in office.  And all this AFTER he had experienced a terrorist attack on US soil.  Maybe if Clinton spent less time brokering out the Lincoln bedroom and late night trists with interns in the west wing this country would never have had to deal with 9/11. 

Bottom line, WJC and HC are and have always been about themselves and not what’s best for this country.  Obama is just continuing the mantra, only this time he’s the puppet to the big DNC constituency concerns that will lead this country into financial ruins.

Listen carefully to the facts… it won’t take us 4 or 8 years of Obama before we know the amount of destruction he and his democratic cronies will slap this country with.  At least he has spelled out in detail the horrors we will face with his left leaning socialist spending agenda.  Now it’s only a matter of time to watch it all unfold

Jonathon in
Sunday, April 05 at 09:15 AM

Jonathon in

“Maybe if Clinton spent less time brokering out the Lincoln bedroom and late night trists with interns in the west wing this country would never have had to deal with 9/11.”

Maybe just maybe if Bush had read his reports and maybe just maybe if he had been on the job intsed of on vacation, he may have been able to have done his job! Maybe just maybe if Bush had been ELECTED and not stolen the election he would have been spending more time in the White House.

Big D in
Sunday, April 05 at 12:10 PM

“hey alex i was laid off because of slowdown in work not anything i did.layoffs in unions have to be done by seniority and i was at the bottom end."~MATT IN in gresham,oregon

Hey MATT.....what would you do if you were in the middle or the top seniority and got laid off because of a slowdown in work?
You would be bitchen and chewin and crying just like the whiner you are. Don’t tell me that it wouldn’t happen because a person I know (who was the top performer in the home improvement dept. of a non-union store) was let go while they kept the junior people. His boss admitted that it was because he got six weeks holidays and made more money.

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Alex in Ontario, Canada
Sunday, April 05 at 03:52 PM

“Read his reports”...... “on vacation”...... “stolen the election”....

Is that all you’ve got.  That crap!!!!

How about this.... What if Clinton had read HIS reports over the remaining 7 years of his term… 9/11 would have never happened......

Do you truly think a president..... GW Bush, Clinton, even Obama ever “goes on vacation”?  You are that crazy!!!  I take vacations but even I am “never” away from my work.  That job is 24x7 I don’t care who you are.

As far as “stealing” the election comment.  You really need to go back and look at the facts.  Even well after the election not even 1 MSM liberal rag could show how Gore would have won.  Besides, Gore is loving life right now making tons of $ ripping off the world with “global warming” claims.  But back in 2000 he never knew how lucky he was.

You’re a piece of work Big D.  Time to go back to your smoking and drinking habits while sucking on some public asistance.

Jonathon in
Monday, April 06 at 06:57 AM

btw… besides Bush “did his job”.  The only problem is the job he and his fellow Republicans followed was the liberal playbook of spend, spend, spend.  Which bolsters my arguments about Obama’s spending which is 3 times worse in deficet spending than GW.  Obama is only taking this country and our childing and grandchildren to their grave that much sooner.

Jonathon in
Monday, April 06 at 07:01 AM

“You’re a piece of work Big D.  Time to go back to your smoking and drinking habits while sucking on some public asistance”

Just so’s ya know; I don’t drink or smoke, furthermore I don’t use drugs. I don’t cheat on, or beat my wife. I provide VERY well for my family with NO help from any public assistant programs. Just one more thing, I OWN my home, bought and paid for. I paid off a 30 yr. mortgage in less than 5 yrs., my vehicles are paid for and the only bills that I have are “standard bills” (gas, food, insurance. electric......) BTW; I’m 45 and solvent. Can you HONESTLY say the same?

Just because I’m VERY liberal doesn’t mean that I don’t work and earn a VERY good living. You might try to refrain from picking your nose so deep while drinking the cool aid!

Big D in
Monday, April 06 at 08:07 AM

Clinton kept us safe for 8 years after the WTC was first attacked in 93.

Try convincing the people who worked at the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania (as well as the former U.S. Air Force barracks in Khobar, Saudi Arabia) of that little “factoid” of yours, Big D(unce)…

bbrd in
Monday, April 06 at 08:31 AM

Big D I very much stand in the same position financially, only my mortgage is not paid off yet.  That’s what good personal decisions and advanced education can do for you.  But what about the income tax deductions you take...... in many liberal eyes you’re accepting government assistance which isn’t “fair”.  While you are at it why don’t you enlighten the WalmartWatch world your financial success story of paying off a mortgate in 5 years.  It should be some great education to the masses.

Jonathon in
Monday, April 06 at 09:30 AM

bbrd(ingle berry)

I thought that it was understood that the US being referred to was those of “us” within the borders of the United States. But if you want this argument to go that direction.

What about the 4000+ Americans that were killed after 911 under the Bush presidency? How’s that “keeping us safe”? Bush marched them off to their deaths all the while knowing that they were being killed for oil profits and lies!

Big D in
Monday, April 06 at 09:30 AM

Big D,

“What about the 4000+ Americans that were killed after 911 under the Bush presidency?”

If you want bring that up, how about the thousands who were killed in the war started by JFK and escalated by Johnson?  How did that war ‘keep us safe’ and what were the ‘profits’ from it?

RDS in
Monday, April 06 at 11:51 AM

Bob

“If you want bring that up, how about the thousands who were killed in the war started by JFK and escalated by Johnson?  How did that war ‘keep us safe’ and what were the ‘profits’ from it?”

This is about the Bush administration and the “claim” from the right wing lie, “Bush kept us safe after 9/11”. Not about JFK and Jhonson. The 4000+ troops were used to show how stupid bbrd, er, someone’s argument was. And it was about as dumb as they come, then you came along and your’s was even MORE STUPIDER! So Bob I guess you win the BOOBIE PRIZE!

Big D in
Monday, April 06 at 12:54 PM

I thought that it was understood that the US being referred to was those of “us” within the borders of the United States.

Whether it be within our borders, or at our outposts and diplomatic missions, abroad, it’s all relative, Big D(ummy)—apologies to the late Redd Foxx…

bbrd in
Monday, April 06 at 08:53 PM

bbrd

“Whether it be within our borders, or at our outposts and diplomatic missions, abroad, it’s all relative, Big D(ummy)—apologies to the late Redd Foxx…”

So perhaps you can enlighten us with your “factoids” and tell us (that would be EVERY AMERICAN including those fighting in Iraq) how Bush kept those 4000+ troops that came home in body bags safe? Hmmmmm.

Quick MEAT HEAD, say something smart.

Big D in
Monday, April 06 at 09:14 PM

“MEAT HEAD?” You give bbrd way too much credit, Big D.

ScrewedbyWalmart in Anytown, America
Monday, April 06 at 10:10 PM

DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS since “Mission Accomplished” May 1, 2003 = 4,126

Add to that over 30,000 wounded.

Sure am glad the mission is accomplished.  Imagine what the death toll and wounded numbers would be if it weren’t.

“I don’t give a goddamn. I’m the President
and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way. ...
Stop throwing the Constitution in my face.
It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

Quoted of George Bush at White House cabinet meeting to discuss the renewal of the Patriot Act, in response to GOP leaders presenting a valid case that the Patriot Act undermined the Constitution.  December 5, 2005

George W. Bush gives “C” students a bad name.

Wal-Mart start paying your way! in Baraboo, WI
Tuesday, April 07 at 12:06 AM

“George W. Bush gives “C” students a bad name.”

He makes cheer leaders look bad as well!

Big D in
Tuesday, April 07 at 04:26 AM

Big D,

“Not about JFK and Jhonson.”

So, if a Republican President does something, it is WRONG, but, if a Democrat President does the SAME thing, YOU don’t want to talk about it, right?

In your view, Republicans can’t do anything RIGHT and Democrats can’t do anything wrong!!  That’s why when Obama spends way more than Bush did, it’s okay, because he was left with a problem!!  Don’t forget, this recession STARTED in Sept. 1999, while Clinton was still Pres.!!

RDS in
Tuesday, April 07 at 05:48 PM

RDS

You keep trying to through out these RED HARRINGS but this is about the LIE, “Bush kept us safe after 9/11.

It’s not about the war of the Roses, It’s not about the Spanish/American war and it’s not about Kennedy and Johnson.

This is about the Right Wing Lie that “bush kept the people in the U.S. safe after 9/11”. And the facts don’t just don’t support that claim!

Fact: ANTRAX attacks took place by TERRORISTS in the “CONTANTAL UNITED STATES, after 9/11. (That puts the “us” in U.S.A.)

Fact: More than 4,000 American’s have lost there lives and over 30,000 wounded because of this administration’s desire to profit big business. (How’s that for keeping us”safe")

Fact: The Bush administration actions have created more terrorists than they have dissuaded. The fact is, Bush has made the world a much more unsafe place to live.

That’s what this is about!

Big D in
Tuesday, April 07 at 06:35 PM

Big D,

“It’s not about the war of the Roses, It’s not about the Spanish/American war and it’s not about Kennedy and Johnson.”

I was just making the point, that BUSH was not the ONLY President that ever got us into a WAR!!  What was the casuality total of the Viet Nam war, compared to what you call BUSH’S war?

RDS in
Wednesday, April 08 at 11:51 AM

RDS

“I was just making the point, that BUSH was not the ONLY President that ever got us into a WAR!!  What was the casuality total of the Viet Nam war, compared to what you call BUSH’S war?”

Still “trying” to change the subject.

Big D in
Wednesday, April 08 at 12:49 PM

Big D,

“Still “trying” to change the subject.”

I’m not changing the subject, the subject is ‘casualties of war’, that is what your 4,000+ number is all about!!  It is YOU that wants to keep it ONE SIDED, talking only about BUSH!!  If yu want to crititize Bush, why can’t we bring up Democrats who did the SAME thing?

RDS in
Wednesday, April 08 at 11:06 PM

RDS

Sorry Bob, but you are wrong as usual!

The SUBJECT is the LIE that Bush “kept us safe after 9/11”. Nice try though.

The 4000+ dead and 30,000+ wounded are all U.S. citizens that were not/ kept safe after 9/11, as were the ANTHRAX<b> victims, which btw happened ON AMERICAN SOIL after 9/11.

So let’s try to stay on <b> SUBJECT, I know it’s hard for you, but you have to concentrate.

Big D in
Thursday, April 09 at 06:35 AM

Big D,

“The SUBJECT is the LIE that Bush “kept us safe after 9/11”.”

Okay, how many BIG attacks from terrorists were there since 9/11, on American Soil?  As for the Anthrax thing, how many people ‘died’ from that?  In order to call someone a LIAR, you have to be able to PROVE that things WEREN’T safer and that LESS things would have happened, if we hadn’t did what we did!!

“The 4000+ dead and 30,000+ wounded are all U.S. citizens that were not/ kept safe after 9/11”

More people than that died or were injured on American highways since 9/11, so I guess that you could blame the auto industry for the LIE, that cars are safer, right?

RDS in
Thursday, April 09 at 09:49 AM

RDS

If you and 5 of your family members were in a tornado shelter and it failed because it was poorly built and 2 of your family were killed, would you say that the shelter kept you and your family safe? Let me try again with something REALLY important to you.

It doesn’t matter if 1000 people were killed with the anthrax attacks with or if only a few got sick. The fact is more attacks occurred within the borders of our country. People andwere killed as a direct result of those ATTACKS! We as a nation have not been kept safe since 9/11.

“More people than that died or were injured on American highways since 9/11, so I guess that you could blame the auto industry for the LIE, that cars are safer, right?”

So now you are trying to minimize the lives of the men and women who have been killed and injured since 9/11. You really are a piece of work!

The fraise KEPT SAFE would imply that no one else has been injured and no other attacks on our country were SUCCEFUL but we all know what a LIE that is.

The really sad thing is that if every life lost had been a dollar out of your pocket you would be squeeling like a razor back under a gate. Bob, you really are such a PIG !

Big D in
Thursday, April 09 at 12:04 PM

Big D,

It is impossible to keep the country 100% SAFE, if it were, there would be no crime!!  Did Clinton keep Americans SAFE in April of 1995, when the Oklahoma City Bombing occured?  Do the police keep you Safe?  But, they say “To protect and Serve”, is that a LIE, because they can’t STOP all crime that might hurt you?  As long as there are ‘bad’ people trying to hurt you, nobody can stop them ALL!!

RDS in
Friday, April 10 at 01:11 AM

RDS

The lie the Right Wing has tried to lay on us is “Bush prevented further attacks after 9/11”. The fact is that he did NOT! The fact is people died in this country as a result of TERRORIST attacks after 9/11. But I glad to see that you agree.

Big D in
Friday, April 10 at 08:58 AM

The problem I have with this argument is it glosses over the fact that 9/11 took place on Bush’s watch in the first place, the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor.

The Trade Towers and Pentagon were attacked while Bush read a children’s story about goats. Or have you forgotten already?

7 minutes can be an eternity if you are bleeding, out of air, or put on “hold”!  It can be especially long if you are the President of the United States and are waiting for someone to tell you what to do.

The seven-minute-long video* chronicling President Bush at Booker Elementary School on 9/11 AFTER he had been told that the United States was “under attack” is one of the most disturbing insights into G. W. imaginable.  If you consider yourself “undecided” about this November’s presidential election, I implore you to watch this video BEFORE you make up your mind.  As Paul Krugman so aptly put it in his July 2, 2004 New York Times column:

“For example, audiences are shocked by the now-famous seven minutes, when George Bush knew the nation was under attack but continued reading “My Pet Goat” with a group of children. Nobody had told them that the tales of Mr. Bush’s decisiveness and bravery on that day were pure fiction.”

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/schoolvideo.html?q=schoolvideo.html

Ken V in Texas
Sunday, April 12 at 10:50 PM

Ken-

That is a news flash for me.  I didn’t know Bush could even read a book with a reading level of “My Pet Goat.”

Bet he just looked at the pictures and made up the story!

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