Wal-Mart to Increase Employee Wages by 8%

Communist China - stronger than Wal-Mart?

Communist Red China -CONTROLLING partner?

The Beast of Bentonville vs The Red Dragon

Ken V: Would that feature Chuck Norris vs. Bruce Lee?

P.S. : Speaking of Chuck Norris, I wonder whatever happened to that licensing deal he had with WalMart to sell a line of active wear he and his wife were developing. I heard Norris hawking this on Larry King a few months back when Huckabee and Norris had taken their political show “on the road.” Seems like the"huckstering" for this apparel stopped,after it became apparent the” Huckster” wasn’t gonna get the nomination. Anybody got updates?

shut up ddrb who the hell cares about chuck norris and wm underwear?find something better to do with your time than talk about that because you are picking at straws

matt: It wasn’t underwearit was sportswear. Seems like someone would have an update.

自由企业和资本主义象共产主义只经营到程度什么社会是愿意容忍。 这使Walmart紧张，不可捉摸和早先绝望隐瞒全面它的领带与中国。 今天Walmart仍然需要宣传隐瞒他们的行为。

从Walmart和中国： 如果Walmart
看了
如经营在中国， 1989年共同投资的山姆跟随中国学生的残酷镇压Hornblower在天安门广场被中国共产党领导， Walton恐惧消费者后退。 他由践踏人权充电在他的亚裔供应商的工厂也打扰。
要持续生长在亚洲，Walmart需要缓冲—会购买亚洲产品，无需显示Walmart的手的中间人或购买代办处。 根据退休的香港高级主管， Walton告诉了比尔领域，Walmart的顶头买家，他要“出去”直接介入在亚洲。 “决定是去一个专属购买代办处”，买家说。 “进入的主要原因[成交]没有将被暴露如进入共产主义中国”。

私下，长期美国。 供应商表达了沮丧。 “他们侵略了我们的核心业务模型”，一个服装制作者说，请求他姓名被保留。 “Walmart似乎专心在处理上总产品寿命”。 如果Walmart的商店商号竞争压力继续，他说他在中国会关闭他的美国工厂，摒弃他自己的品牌，并且设法恳求Walmart的私人标签事务。 “我们称它‘种族对底部’”，他断言了。 “可悲，因为我看见生产率上升[在美国]是可能的通过自动化。 有室为被改进的效率。 但它是不可能的[呆在这里]与贩商向便宜的中国人劳方求助。“

一些零售分析人员说供营商的Walmart的减少的数字在美国中西部在墨西哥和台湾将继续摒弃他们的工厂，并且调动生产从他们的工厂对中国。 因为这发生，巨型的中国聚结，例如电视制造商TCL，越来越将控制市场。 并且Walmart将由它的中国伙伴越来越被迫对付肌肉屈曲。

然后有一道新的皱痕在全球性比赛： 中国可能不为居于次要地位安定。 中国制造者在产品开发，不仅填装的汇编定货想要成为相等的伙伴以Walmart，扮演一个角色。 他们，同样，变得创造性以对卖点分析的用途立即反应消费者要求和开发产品他们要。

“我们在产品开发中看涌现的转移”， Travis & Rosenberg说汤姆Travis、一位商业律师在迈阿密的Sandler，计数Walmart在他的客户之中。 中国制造者“假设much more作用，创造并且设计…产品。”
这可能导致到现在什么，许多将考虑中国制造业优势推翻供应链的Walmart’s的控制的一个难以想象的情景。
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/wmchina.html

有二个所有者的猪是肯定的对饥饿模子。 英国谚语

In English it reads like this-

Free enterprise and capitalism just like communism only operate to the degree of what society is willing to tolerate. This makes WalMart nervous, evasive and previously desperate to conceal the full measure of its ties with China. Today Walmart still needs propaganda to conceal their behaviors.

From Wal-Mart and China: A Joint Venture
Sam Hornblower

Following the brutal suppression of Chinese students in Tiananmen Square in 1989 by the Chinese Communist leadership, Walton feared a consumer backlash if Wal-Mart were seen as operating in China. He was also disturbed by charges of human rights abuses in his Asian suppliers’ factories.

To continue growing in Asia, Wal-Mart needed a buffer—a middleman or a buying agency that would purchase Asian products without showing Wal-Mart’s hand. According to the retired Hong Kong senior executive, Walton told Bill Fields, Wal-Mart’s head buyer, that he wanted to “get out” of direct involvement in Asia. “The decision was to go to an exclusive buying agency,” the buyer said. “The main reason for going into [the deal] was not to be exposed as going into Communist China.”

Privately, long-time U.S. suppliers expressed dismay. “They invaded our core business model,” said one apparel maker, requesting that his name be withheld. “Wal-Mart seems intent on managing the total product life cycle.” If the competitive pressures of Wal-Mart’s store brands continue, he said he would close his American factories, abandon his own brand, and try to solicit Wal-Mart’s private label business in China. “We call it ‘the race to the bottom,’” he asserted. “It’s sad because I see that productivity increases [ in America ] are still possible through automation. There’s room for improved efficiency. But it’s impossible [to stay here] with retailers going for cheap Chinese labor.”

Some retail analysts said that Wal-Mart’s dwindling number of vendors will continue to abandon their factories in the American Midwest, as well as transfer production from their factories in Mexico and Taiwan to China. As this happens, massive Chinese conglomerates, such as the television manufacturer TCL, will dominate more and more of the market. And Wal-Mart will increasingly be forced to contend with muscle-flexing by its Chinese partners.

And so, there’s a new wrinkle in the global game: China may not settle for second fiddle. Chinese manufacturers want to become equal partners with Wal-Mart, playing a role in product development, not just filling assembly orders. They, too, are becoming creative with the use of point-of-sale analysis to respond instantly to the demands of consumers and develop products they want.

“We are seeing an emerging shift in product development,” said Tom Travis, a trade lawyer at Miami’s Sandler, Travis & Rosenberg, who counts Wal-Mart among his clients. Chinese manufacturers “are assuming much more of the functions, creating and designing … the product.”

This could lead to what up until now, many would have considered an unthinkable scenario in which the manufacturing dominance of China subverts Wal-Mart’s control of the supply chain.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/wmchina.html

“A pig that has two owners is sure to die of hunger.” English Proverb

SDV:” China may not settle for second fiddle. Chinese manufacturers want to become equal partners with Wal-Mart,...” ~~~~~~~~~~~This very much reminds me of a remark I read just a short time ago, about the positives vs. negatives of Obama selecting Hillary as possible VP. One opinion expressed was that she didn’t want Vice- presidency,but Co-Presidency!

I have read that the Chinese put much value in saving face-not being humiliated.As such, does anyone think the Chinese female employees would be forced to soil themselves with bodily functions?Would WalMart be allowed to do this to the WalMart female employees in China?I don’t think so! THEY(the female associates) have a union .Maybe Mr.Dong could come shed some light on this from a Chinese perspective.

**Note to SDV:

Any idea where Ken got the RFK quote on the sterility of economic numbers?

That quote is from the text of a speech delivered by RFK at the University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, March 18, 1968.
It is known as his “GNP” speech.

There are several on-line sources, some of which don’t include the introductory paragraph:

“We will find neither national purpose nor personal satisfaction in a mere continuation of economic progress, in an endless amassing of worldly goods. We cannot measure national spirit by the Dow Jones Average, nor national achievement by the Gross National Product.

(Sorry for the delay.)

Ken V: Thanks. Better late than never. I was interested to know the source,also.

Thanks Ken. I found the balance of the Kansas speech at…
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/
Reference+Desk/Speeches/RFK/RFKSpeech68Mar18UKansas.htm
It had the remarks of note within the text before the Vietnam section. I appreciate the return to RFK material, I was not quite 9 years old when RFK/MLK and the assassinations came down through the black and white TV, here in San Diego. I keep a copy of the MLK Riverside Church speech from 4/1967 in my Bible.

Wal-Mao

By Harold Meyerson, The American Prospect

Finally Wal-Mart has a union. One small catch, though: you have to move to China. Tools
Up to now America’s largest employer has opposed every effort of its employees to form a union. Wal-Mart doesn’t recognize unions; it doesn’t even recognize “employees.” The proper Wal-Mart name for its workers is “associates,” a term that connotes higher status and collegiality and that actually means lower pay and workplace autocracy. For the privilege of associating themselves with Wal-Mart, its employees are paid so little that many can’t afford the health insurance the company generously allows them to buy. One study of health care in Las Vegas revealed that a plurality of that city’s employed Medicaid recipients worked at Wal-Mart.

But that was the old Wal-Mart. Last week Wal-Mart announced that if its associates wanted a union to represent them, that would be hunky-dory – as long as the union was affiliated with the All-China Federation of Trade Unions, a body dominated by the Chinese Communist Party. The official statement was simple and seemingly unambiguous: “Should associates request formation of a union, Wal-Mart China would respect their wishes.”

Wal-Mart America has made no such declaration, of course. Why it deems its 20,000 Chinese associates who work in its 40 Chinese stores worthy of representation while its million U.S. employees can’t be trusted with the right to represent themselves is a good question. Whence the Sinophilia and Americaphobia?

We can, I think, dismiss suspicions of anti-anyone-but-Chinese racism as such. The answer, then, must lie in Wal-Mart’s preference for old-line communist-dominated unions in authoritarian communist states over any other kinds of unions anywhere else. America’s unions, which Wal-Mart despises, have a long history of anti-communism, and today’s AFL-CIO is the staunchest defender on the American political scene of democratic rights in communist nations such as China. For that matter, unions affiliated with reformed or post-communist parties outside of the few remaining communist states have gotten nowhere with Wal-Mart either. Only in China, with its inimitable blend of Dickensian capitalism and authoritarian communism, has Wal-Mart found a union to its liking.(continued)

(continued)
The leaders of genuine workers’ movements in China don’t end up running the All-China Federation. They’re to be found in prison, in exile, or in hiding.

Besides, truly democratic unions in China would run counter to the truly undemocratic, one-party state. Allowing a democratic union movement to form would threaten both Dickensian capitalism and authoritarian communism, and diminish some of China’s competitive advantage over other low-wage but not authoritarian nations in Southeast Asia, Central America and elsewhere. Such a development would be anathema to both the Politburo and Wal-Mart’s board of directors. It would introduce the concept of free choice and the prospects of higher living standards not just to Wal-Mart’s 20,000 Chinese store employees but to the far larger number of Chinese workers laboring in poverty-wage servitude to stitch clothing for the contractors, subcontractors and sub-subcontractors whose products fill Wal-Mart’s shelves.

When a company such as Wal-Mart is so plainly comfortable with authoritarianism abroad, it tells you something about that company’s values at home. Bentonville regards the prospect of employee free association and organization within its stores with the same fear and loathing that Beijing feels at the prospect of free elections in China. Anti-union American employers can’t imprison pro-union workers, but exile is a real possibility. Troublemakers are free to go. According to Cornell labor relations professor Kate Bronfenbrenner, at least 5 percent of workers involved in unionization campaigns are fired, which is both quite illegal and quite routine: Companies would rather pay the nominal fines than pay their workers higher wages and lose the absolute control they hold over the work lives of their employees.

The noblest of the Bush administration’s goals, surely, is that of spreading democracy. If it’s serious about that task, though, there are places closer to home than the Middle East that could use a little democracy-spreading, and the American workplace is high on that list. Strengthening labor law would make it harder for employers such as Wal-Mart to thwart their workers’ desire for an organized voice on the job. When America’s largest employer feels more affinity for the political legacy of Mao Zedong than for that of Franklin D. Roosevelt, it’s time to start democratizing our own back yard.~~~~~~~~~~~~~Alternet

Harold Meyerson is an Anti Wal-Mart Movement icon. Run Harold Meyerson Walmart through your favorite search engine and see what you get.

We’re going to quit breaking the law. ~ Wal-Mart Regional VP, Larry Williams

KenV : The best legislation that money can buy-The laws are not only UNbreakable,they have the addition of being Teflon coated,so nothing can “stick” when it comes to WalMart. Eureka! WalMart has finally found a product Made in the USA to their liking...our legal system.

“After talks lasting more than five hours, the Wal-Mart outlet in Shenyang, capital of Liaoning Province, agreed on a proposal by its trade union to raise employees’ salary by an annual rate of 8 percent in 2008 and 2009, according to the city’s trade union.”

Ironically enough that is the same percentage that US employees get annually for their first couple years, and they don’t even have a union.

dave: Are you saying ALL U.S. employees,or ALL WalMart U.S. employees?

What difference does it make? All I am really doing is lying to try and make Walmart look like a responsible employer. Does anyone believe that Wamart gives 8 percent raises or that their employees stay for a couple of years? More like less than a year with a 50-60% turnover rate and unions are not allowed anyway even when the employees want one.

“The Chinese labor union won yet another fight against Wal-Mart today, successfully negotiating for an 8% raise for 2008 and 2009 as well setting terms for paid vacation, social security, and overtime.”

What’s 8% of 55 cents an hour?  I believe it’s 4 cents an hour!!  I would be willing to bet, U.S. Wal-Mart workers get raises bigger than 4 cents an hour every year!!  So, how much did those Chinese unions REALLY help those employees?  “Wow, I got a 4 cent an hour wage increase for the year, now I can get rid of my bicycle and get that car I’ve always wanted, Thanks Union”!!

“dave: Are you saying ALL U.S. employees,or ALL WalMart U.S. employees? “

I’m not sure why you capped “ALL” since I never said all, but I was talking about Walmart associates, but I would say MOST not ALL though.  There are a few idiots that manage to work bad enough that they don’t get as good of a raise.

There are a few idiots that manage to work bad enough that they don’t get as good of a raise~~~~Dave~~~What kind of idiot uses a phrase like “work bad enough’?

Really copy and paste ddrb is going to bash my grammar?  Maybe when you make a few posts that are your own instead of articles from Anti Walmart sites then you can critque my writing, but until then work on trying to think for yourself instead of letting Walmart watch and the others do your thinking for you.

Dave, you are hardly considered respectable as a writer with the crap you have posted to this site. ddrb, gives citation, reference, documentation, source and extensive material relevant to the discussions that take place here. The reading recommendations alone from ddrb make you at best an imp from the WalMart/Edelman shithouse writers guild. It is not surprising that the lot of you cannot post cited and sourced material of any kind. The facts, information, truth and rationality are just not compatible with you WalMart propaganda slobs.

“The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.”
Mark Twain

It really hurts that you don’t consider me to be “respectable”.  I’m sorry that I try to use reason instead of biased sources for discussion.  Clearly some of you aren’t capably of reasoning so those arguments are lost on some of you, but I’m hoping that there are some that actually do have a mind of their own, and maybe they can see the truth. 

“reading recommendations alone from ddrb make you at best an imp from the WalMart/Edelman shithouse writers guild.

It’s funny that you typed that sentence in a discussion about my using one incorrect word, and then posted the quote by Mark Twain.  First of all you’re sentence makes no sense at all, since readin recommendation from ddrb wouldn’t make me anything.  Second I’m guessing Mark Twain was talking about actual writing and not about posting on a blog.  Just a hunch though.

Dave:"the “readin"(? )recommendation very well MIGHT do you some good,Dave.You know-readin’ and writin’ and all that thar larnin’.

Oh no a typo.  I missed the g can you ever forgive me.  You guys do a good job of changing the topic when you’re story is proved to be inaccurate or not an issue.

DAVE:Not nearly as good a job as you,Dave. You’ve had a lot more practice.Like they say,practice makes perfect. And you are a perfect......

.......a practically perfect........

Umm you were the one that took this topic off topic, and you are the one who has taken most others off topic.  BTW since Walmart employees can get $.60 raises unless you want to concede that Walmart’s starting wage is over $7.50 an hour, my original statement is still correct, and you have yet to say anything about that. 

“Other agreements included the standard of minimum salary, paid vacation, social security treatment and payment for overworking. “

Walmart workers in the US also get all those things, but good job by the unions bargaining for what we got without unions.

“I have come to a resolution myself, as I hope every good citizen will, never again to purchase any article of foreign manufacture which can be had of American make, be the difference of price what it may.” ----Thomas Jefferson

That has nothing to do with the topic, but if Americans today had that idea Walmart would be selling all American made merchandise, but the truth is most people don’t care about that and would rather have what is cheapest, and so that is what Walmart is giving them.  If a company doesn’t give the consumer what the consumer wants then the company will quickly be bankrupt because the consumer will find someone else who will.

Dave: READ IT AGAIN. ESPECIALLY THE GOOD CITIZEN PART. GOOD CITIZENS CARE ABOUT SUPPORTING THEIR COMMUNITY AND COUNTRY FIRST. GOOD CITIZENS ARE NOT ACQUIESCENT ACCOMPLICES OF DESTRUCTIVE HYPERCONSUMERISM .

So Walmart should go bankrupt on principle?  While that would make you guys happy it wouldn’t solve anything.  The problem is with the consumer that doesn’t want American made products.  Perhaps instead of blaming Walmart for everything, we should blame those that are really responsible, the consumer.  Once again though you have trailed off topic.  I see you had nothing to say on the Chinese “union” when it was proved that they gained nothing that Americans didn’t already have.  I’m still trying to decide if you intentionally go off topic with quotes that have nothing to do with the topic or if you just don’t understand the discussion well enough to stay on topic.

The American consumer does not determine what is put on the shelf. The retailer does that in providing a offering of products that the consumer then must choose from. You frauds continue to make the fake argument that WalMart is not responsible for importing products from China and predetermining their offering to the American consumer. 70-80% of WalMart’s offering is made in China to their impoverished and entrapped demographic that can no longer get many of what were once American made products because of the price distortion that WalMart has brought to the U.S. economic system and destroying the U.S. manufacturer of these products through Global Labor Arbitrage. WalMart rakes off the difference in Chinese $.40/hr manufacturer labor costs as profit. American manufacturing cannot survive in extreme disproportionate scales of economy. WalMart has refused loyalty to the American workforce and exploited the Global Labor Arbitrage renunciation of maintaining the U.S. economic ecology that had been very healthy. Now it is dying.

WalMart cannot survive without the billions they receive in vast subsidies every year. That and the overall business model philosophy and hostile attitude against their impoverished labor ‘associates’ along with quisling import and commercial practices betraying the U.S. consumer and workforce is why WalMart should go bankrupt on principle.

You act as if WalMart had no hand in the matter of Mexican or Chinese imports at all that have flooded upon the desperate consumer that goes to WalMart even though they would prefer not to. And the exporting of American jobs through WalMart’s business model practice...your dead conscience remains in the propagandist mode again no doubt wanting to claim that Americans wanted that too.

I hate to use logic on you, since you’re obviously incapable, but don’t you think that if the consumer had spent the extra money to buy the American merchandise when Walmart had their buy American campaign, that Walmart would have put more and more American made merchandise on their shelves instead of less?  The consumer does control what is put on the shelf by what they buy.  If they buy only American made products then stores would go out of business if they tried to force Chinese merchandise unto the shelves.  The truth is most Americans would rather have the lower prices, and now that the jobs have already moved overseas some are realizing their mistake, but it’s a little late now.  People like you give people no personal responisibility for anything in their lives which is absolutely ridiculous, and is one of the many problems with our culture.  We’re getting closer and closer to communism where the government controls everything.

Poor job on ‘Agentic Shifting’ Dave. Give it a rest on trying to evade corporate responsibility and ‘lets blame the consumer’ hucksterism. Your very own bumbling drivel on personal responsibility is what you won’t apply to the decisions made in corporate boardrooms long before product is designed, manufactured, shipped and even presented to the impoverished and desperate WalMart consumer as the foreign made goods offering that is set before Americans in 80% Chinese goods marketplace whorehouses like WalMart. This is exactly what Sam Walton did not want America to find out about. Especially after the Beijing Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. Now WalMart has to survive on propaganda to America’s working poor and evade explaining shipping their better paying manufacturing jobs over to communist China.

WalMart- We are the largest corporate supporter of Chinese Communism on the planet. A point that Dave would like for you to overlook in his ‘personal responsibility’ theory that don’t apply to WalMart executives.

What percent of goods sold at Kmart, Target, and your favorite Costco are made in China?  I always see the Walmart number, but when I have been in the other stores I don’t see made in America stuff there either.  So I guess you should boycott all stores and make everything yourselves.  Let me know how that goes for you.

Dave:"We’re getting closer and closer to Communism where the government controls everything"~~~~~~~~Dave ~~:~Another Port Deal: Mexico, Red China, Wal-Mart
by William F. Jasper
March 11, 2006

The Hong Kong-based shipping company Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. and retail giant Wal-Mart Stores Inc. are partners in a new $300 million expansion of Mexico’s Pacific port of Lazaro Cardeñas, according to a February 12 report from Reuters news service.

Since U.S. west coast ports are becoming clogged with container ships filled with made-in-China goods, Wal-Mart and its Chinese suppliers are looking for new ports to bring their wares into the United States. The expansion project, reportedly, would increase Lazaro Cardeñas’ current annual handling capacity of 100,000 containers to 700,000 containers over the next couple years, with possible expansion to two million containers.

Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. is run by Hong Kong billionaire Li Ka-shing, whose business empire is intertwined with companies that front for the communist intelligence and military arms of the People’s Republic of China, such as the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO), China Telecom, and the China International Trust and Investment Corporation (CITIC). Li Ka-shing, a key agent in China’s global agenda, controls key ports around the world, including the ports at both ends of the Panama Canal.~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have not seen reports of other retailers in partnerships .

Why did you quote me on that?  My quote had absolutely nothing to do with your post.  Unless your argument is that while they are building the ports they are convincing the Democratic legislatures to pass more laws for bigger government.  I’m guessing they are more worried about making their money than they are about changing our legislation though.

You have the WalMart indoctrination indifference to Chinese Communism Dave. Your defense of WalMart history supporting communism leads you to Bentonville talking points with your best patriotic drivel of...well others do it too.

Dave aka imbecile #9, you have finally reached the rational heights of m att hew vantress. Perhaps you are more comfortable with Chinese Communist murder of protesters at Tiananmen Square than you are with WalMart killing petty theft suspects.

Let’s try it again shall we-

WalMart- We are the largest corporate supporter of Chinese Communism on the planet. A point that Dave would like for you to overlook in his ‘personal responsibility’ theory that don’t apply to WalMart executives.