Wal-Mart War Room: Trying But Failing To Combat Their Woes

It’s amazing and distressing to think about what this company spends just to try to repair its image.  As opposed to repairing its problems.

This is so sad....read the NY times....all i can say is keep up the fight WakeUpWalmart - you are kicking but - and WalMArt Watch - wow…

SJ

Mary Jo

What problems? Can you name 1 real problem that you personally know Wal-Mart has? Besides the UFCW harassment? Wal-Mart is the most efficient company in the world. They are successful. Most importantly they have 1.5 million employees who are not paying union dues. Not only is the UFCW not getting money from Wal-Mart’s employees but the drive to keep costs and prices down has pushed companies like Kroger, Safeway and Albertsons’ to put pressure on their unions to accept wage and benefit cuts. In many cases, when the union strikes, the companies shut stores and fire people. This happened to Kroger employees in Charleston, WV a few years ago. When I was a child in western PA, Kroger had 30 or 40 stores in the area. In 1983 (or was it 1984?) the union went out on strike. When they refused to return, Kroger shut all of its’ stores and left western PA. They haven’t been back since. Thousands lost their jobs and for what?

This site and these attacks are about union dues and driving up wage rates (and union receipts). Nothing more.

The UFCW cares nothing about workers. It only cares about their dues. Keep that in mind whenever you read about some horrible thing that Wal-Mart supposedly does.

The religious resource guide you all have added to your site is really good.  Talk about Wal-Mart moves to the pulpits now.

Good for Walmart.  They are fighting back. 

About this controversial agreement with the labor department.  I would like to quote from the Rocky Mountain News, since I happen to be in Denver at this time.  “The report said it found no ev idence of violations of federal loaws or regulations.”

The memo involved violations of child labor laws involving operation of hazardous equipment by employees under 18 years old.  Hazarous equipment is described as such things as cardboard box crushers.  Most households are more dangerous than that piece of equipment.  To hear walmart watch’s version, you would think that Walmart had five year olds working sixteen hours per day.

China-Mart can spend oodles on spinmeisters and political operatives, but can’t offer decent health care or wages for the employees it says it treats so well.  If they didn’t think there was anything wrong with the way they were doing business, why all the spin?  And for those anti-union folks out there, the next time you enjoy a relaxing weekend or an eight hour work day go thank a union member.  Union members died for those things.

I went to work at Walmart about a year ago, and tried to stay positive about the way they run things with regard to working hours and benefits elgibility.  I am a retired senior who must still work and still have talents to contribute. I sensed almost immediately that the company could care less about how much experience one has, and are focused more on keeping a high turnover rate so the workers on staff are working at the entry level wage, and leave in disgust before they become elgible for benefits.  Since I am an overweight senior, I am looking for employment elsewhere.  I may be old and fat, but I can still work circles around some of the
younger people they hire who are more concerned about the social aspect of the job and how they can collect their pay by doing as little as possible.  If they tightened up on security, exerted some control on their idiotic return policy, and reduced the waste, they could save millions.  People are stealing them blind, their security is a joke, and they accept returns for merchandise people buy at yard sales.  Customers who throw tantrums get anything they want, and the dumster is stuffed daily with broken, worn out stuff they take back.  Inconsiderate customers and thieves are taking the place over.  The shrink, as they call it, is enough to make you hurl. I

Rich

Doctors often work 80-hour weeks. Good lawyers at large firms often work the same. New associates are expected to BILL anywhere from 1,850-2,150 hours per year. The most efficient people in the world can only bill about 80%-85% of hours worked. Most can’t. That means non-stop 60+ hour weeks-nights, weekends, holidays, etc. Professionals don’t work 40-hour weeks. That is a union invention designed to limit production and hold down the number of workers. The reason for this is it drives up wages by limiting the availability of workers. That is why unions have historically opposed immigrants, globalization, right to work, minorities, etc. They know that they have no special qualification. They have managed to blackmail and bully people into thinking they are somehow more qualified than non-union people. Unions know that immigrants and minorities and foreigners may do the same work at a much cheaper price and this frightens them. THAT is why we have so many ridiculous rules in place to protect unions.

The Davis-Bacon Act says that any government contract must pay “prevailing” wages, ie. union level. What this does is it limits government contracts to unions because non-union labor would have to pay as much as the union companies and some cannot afford this. This keeps unions employed and wages artificially high. It costs the American taxpayer BILLIONS of dollars. Where is the outcry from those who complain about the taxpayer costs associated with Wal-Mart? The New Orleans rebuild (bad idea) will cost TENS OF BILLIONS MORE because of Davis-Bacon and the unions.

“Unions-Stealing Your Tax Dollars For Decades!"-New Union Slogan

Nick,
there’s big difference between Doctors and Wal-mart sales clerks working 80 hour work weeks. Doctors are well compensated for the extra time they devote serving their patients. Wal-mart workers get terrible pay, terrible benfits, and get terrible treatment by Walmart management. Comparing the two is a farce and you know it.

“Walmart Stealing Your tax Dollars for Decades!” - New Walmart Insurance Program Slogan

The above post must mean the author of it practices what he preaches right; or in his own words has a bully union protecting him?

Lets see Nick you have posted 9 times between 8:01 & 11:59 just today on 5 threads here on WMW.  That does not include your posting on AOL Money.  There is only 1 hour of time you did not post, thanks for screwing your employer and driving his cost up!  Or is it your a just a paid talking ass?

Guess I will have to wait for your abusive post until you get back from lunch, god forbid you post on your own time.

Nick--you make it sound that employees taking pay cuts is a good thing. Suppose it happened to you? Then you go on about globalization and immigration as if there shouldn’t be any government regulation or borders at all. All that is fine. But you will find borders and regulations outside our borders. And protectionism and any number of brutal and corrupt regimes (not that ours is not corrupt) and unions and national health care policies.

A reminder.  This website has nothing to do with how Walmart treats their employees, what kind of goods they sell or how clean they keep their stores.

This site is about a union trying to unionize Walmart.  walmart watch does not care who they hurt in the process.  That includes Walmart employees, Walmart shoppers or Walmart stockholders. 

WALMART WATCH WANTS TO UINIONIZE WALMART.  NO MORE.  NO LESS.

Larry

History brings natural progression. We started off a primarily an agricultural society. By the late 1800’s, the great majority of America’s workers had moved into factories as a result of the industrial revolution. Today, work is moving from the shop floor to the computer lab. We are moving into the next era, high-technology. If you could time travel to 25 years from now, you would be astounded at the progress we will have made.

My point is that, even though the bulk of America’s workers were not employed in agriculture in the late 1800’s, we still had far higher crop output with far fewer workers. Also, those who had been displaced found work in the new factories, and prospered. Now, as we shift to a technology and service based economy, we have to think about upgrading skills. We will always have a need for construction workers, maintenance people, laborers, equipment operators, etc. but the days of heavily capitalized, miles long manufacturing plants employing tens of thousands of workers are over. Wal-Mart is not to blame. As America moved from an Agricultural to an Industrial society, we prospered and farm output increased. Now, as we move into a Technology/Service economy, farm output and manufacturing efficiency are increasing.

Just as the shift from Agriculture to Manufacturing did not displace workers in the long run, so will the Technology shift not displace workers now. There will be workers losing their jobs as the previous economic engine shuts down and the industries correct themselves. Workers who are displaced will find new life in the new sectors. If they refuse to make an effort to keep up, they will of course be left behind.

Larry, I won’t take a pay cut. Because if my company cut my pay, I would go find another job making more. People claim there are no jobs. I look in the Sunday Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and see 8 large pages of jobs! People just don’t want to work. Remember, too, that the best jobs often go unadvertised and that not all jobs are listed in the paper. People need to quit waiting for someone to help them. They should help themselves first.

David you hate the unions and you are a retired person living in AR with a pension, correct.  So under what union did you secure that pension?

Hey Nick as a true capitalist, if you could make more money why are you not doing it?  Could it be you have it too good at your current job, since your boss lets you spend the whole day on the internet posting and wasting his time and money?

I don’t see what difference it makes who does what when and from where on this site.  It’s really NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Get back to the subject matter.  Wal-Mart and Unions. 

A friend of mine had Open heart surgery this past year, Thank god for WM insurance.  She paid $1750..WM paid the other $50,000.  AND they paid 100% of any meds and medical for the rest of this year.  She was out for over 3 months and came back to her Same Dept Mgr position.

Please, if David is on here cutting unions down and he is also receiving a pension which he has stated on this site several times, then how was it secured? That is a far question.

Sorry Kim but I’m not going to let someone talk out of both side of their month nor should you.

As for Nick he talks high and mighty but is screwing his employer at the same time.

Nick - Why don’t you answer NTD’s question?

David - Why do you keep saying the same thing over and over again? We know you hate unions. We all get it after your 200th post on the subject.

Why do you care if Nick is posting on the clock?  Apparently is boss doesn’t care.

As for the unions, Well, a coworker of mine will be posting on this site in the next few days.  I talked to her today about it.  She used to work at Winn Dixie before coming to WM 6 years ago, and before that she worked at Kroger, and she said she’d pick WM over either of those anyday.  She can tell her own story.

I don’t know why people on here beleive everything that WM watch claims and don’t give a second thought to our first hand experiences as a WM associate that is STILL GAINfully employed.  NOt ones that have been terminated for misconduct or whatnot. 

Also, NTD.  You have to comment on the great job WM insurance did for my co worker?  All the posts I make highlighting the good WM does seem to get overlooked.  BTW, you sure are posting alot yourself, exactly WHAT do you do all day?

Kim -

I’m just interested why someone would write such long and detailed posts during the workday. It doesn’t seem like someone would waste their time unless money was involved. Hey, whatever floats in for ya.

It does not matter what I do as long as I don’t bring it up in this forum, thank you.  So if you are going to post about how bad they unions are while getting a pension that you have talked about here, because of a union, well what else needs to be said.

As David stated this is about WM and how the big bad union is trying to hurt them, if you are paying for insurance then it had better cover you, its just a shame some must pay a lot more of their checks then others.

As for Nick my point is he only post between 8am & 4pm on his employers time yet on the other hand talks high and mighty.  As an employer I would think that would be stealing no matter how important you are, unless you sign the checks.

David & Nick please thank Kim for making up excusses for you two.

Nick---if you already know that by going on to another employer you’d make more--why don’t you do it already?

Is WM to blame for history and its natural progression? Of course not but they are doing their best to make this natural progression of yours very regressive.

As far as this technology shift not displacing workers right at this moment---sure it does. You’ve seen many come on here to tell you so. You might decide that they are shiftless and lazy but really just about any picture you can draw in your mind about someone who is talking to you from cyberspace is going to be incomplete--albeit somewhat based on assumption.

I’m also not assuming your rosy scenario for 25 years from now is going to come to fruition. If there is anything that history will teach us is that things don’t always work out the way we want them to. The way things are going as I see it 25 years from now a ton of people are going to have been left behind. And most people who see themselves as having nothing or nothing worthwhile are angry people. Advice to people out there with children-- education is more important to your kids future than anything.

It is the unions that have been the ruin of this country. Always demanding more pay for less work. If it wasn’t for the Unions demanding so much the cost of living wouldn’t be as high as it is. I have worked in a unionized place before and all they did was take my money and fight for the bigger people that worked in a bigger market.

The fact is that while walmart may not have the highest paying jobs in the world they have the largest payroll in the world. They are the biggest employer in the world and if the union got in there they could no longer boast about having low prices because they would have to raise all their prices to pay employees.  Maybe none of you screamers have a concern for the person raising a family that has to put food on their table but it does get expensive. While you scream for the downfall of the corporation I scream SHUT UP before you distroy the one place the common joe can shop for their family and still have a buck left at the end of the week.

Unions have distroyed enough of this country leave walmart alone. If a person wants to make more money then they need to get a better education and get a better job. I worked at retail when I was a kid and now I’m all grown up and work at a real job.

Way to go Lori and Kim,
it’s nice to get some new pro-wal-mart people in here. Nick and David have been taking alot of abuse lately from the union thugs and need some support. The more Nick and David state the truth, the more the union people squirm. Look at Philly now. The city wants to make the city workers pay 5% of their insurance, and only have a 9% pay raise over the next 3 years, and what do they do. Go on strike. Typical union reaction. This brings the city to a halt, causing over 1/2 million people to try to find another way to work. Once again, this goes under the category of union greed. Thank goodness these people on strike will have plenty of walmarts to go to, since they will be low on income for the future weeks. Lets hope the mayor sticks to his guns and just fires all the union people. Where is Ronald Reagan when you need him.....

Kim
by the way, I’m a associate also, and no matter what the unions try to say about the health insurance, I know that it’s a good deal and I appreciate what walmart offers. I know I have to pay some for it, but when was anything you got free ever appreciated. Anything you earn you appreciated alot more....

I find the apologists for Wal Mart’s well known behavior particularly intriguing. For example “David in Zack AR” mentions

“The report said it found no ev idence of violations of federal loaws or regulations.” (sic)

This is a distortion of the investigations findings and the incidents that prompted such an investigation. The federal investigation did find Wal-Mart had allowed youth workers in three states to operate hazardous equipment…

Wal-Mart agreed to pay $135,540 in fines, provide training on child labor laws to store managers and post warning signs indicating age restrictions on all company-owned hazardous equipment.

Wal-Mart though used this challenge as an opportunity for it’s lawyers and lobbyists to foist a deal that weakens federal oversight of workplace issues in the future.

After the Jan 11th settlement, a report was later issued by the Department of Labor’s inspector general that scolds the DOL’s internal agency Wage and Hour Division (WHD) for reaching an unprecedented sweetheart compliance agreement with the massive retail chain that offers Wal-Mart 15 days’ written notice before any future WHD inspections of Wal-Mart stores. It precludes inspectors from making impromptu visits and essentially let’s the fox guard the henhouse, it is an outrage…

Wal-Mart was not required to admit any wrongdoing, and the retailer, consequently, has denied the Labor Department’s allegations.

The DOL inspector general complained the deal showed “serious breakdowns” in the way DOL’s WHD crafts such agreements, without guidelines or oversight. Since the Jan 11th deal, on June 27, the DOL issued a new set of procedures and guidelines for developing, negotiating and reviewing settlement agreements.

It is none of your business where I get my money, however none of my pension comes from a union and I get no money from Walmart.  Remember this, because it will be the last time I will comment. 

Just like Nick, my remarks stand on their own strength or lack of it and have nothing to do with anything else I do.

I don’t hate unions.  Unions have done some good things, however, this site is nothing more than an attempt to get Walmart to unionize.  Quit trying to disguise it by saying it has something to do with the Walmart Employees or any of the rest of the phony issues.

My David, for a guy retired with a good pension, why would you not want others to have the same?  I bet you retirement benefits are related to some type of an organized group either private sector or the government.  It is your age group that shaped America with unions.

David writes “Just like Nick, my remarks stand on their own strength or lack of it and have nothing to do with anything else I do”

Yes and you want to deny people a pension yet you are living off one.  As for Nick he says everyone owes 100% to their employer since they are getting a paycheck yet he sits and post all day on his bosses time and money.  So with this in mind many others and I find a total lack of integrity in you and Nicks comments no matter how articulate you may attempt to be.

Let it be most clear!  Wal Mart stands for the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR!!  That applies to every aspect of the big box swap meet they call a “Super Center”.  Have you all ever tried to shop at one of these disgusting stores?
They are a MESS and lack any form of customer service.  They make K-Mart look like Saks 5th Ave.  The biggest con of all might be the so called “low prices”.  Many times they charge more for shopping in their disorganized mess.  Why oh why does America seem to aspire to bringing down our great country with this Communist Big Box??

Rather than attacking Walmart with phony issues, walmart watch should be up front.  Admit that their sole goal is to unionize Walmart.

Then they could honestly lay out their plan for Walmart employees.  State.  “Here is our goal.  We will get your pay raised by XX amount.  We will increase your benefits by XX amount.  We will guarantee XX amount of hours.  We will charge you XX amount for our services.”

At that point, Walmart could say “OK this will be the effect.  We will raise our prices by XX amount.  We will lose XX amount of business due to higher prices.  We will close XX amount of marginal stores.” So and and so on.

That at least is the start of an honest dialog, rather than this charade.

David you must be going to the Wake-Up WalMart web site, here are their six demands of WM.

We believe now is the time for Wal-Mart to address the serious issues facing its 1.3 million workers, their families, our communities and our country by agreeing to the following “six demands for change.”

1.  Living Wage. Pay all Wal-Mart workers a fair living wage so they can support their families.
2.  Affordable Health Care. Provide all workers comprehensive, affordable health insurance coverage so they can care for their families and no longer be forced to rely on taxpayer-funded public health care.
3.  End Discrimination. Ensure equal opportunity and equal pay for women and people of color in your workforce at all levels through a stringent and independent monitoring process.
4.  Zero Tolerance on Child Labor. Adopt a zero tolerance policy and institute an independent monitoring program to stop the exploitation of child labor in the United States and abroad.
5.  Buy American. Establish a “Buy America” program that annually increases the percentage of “Made in America” goods purchased by Wal-Mart so as to help protect American jobs.
6.  Respect Communities. Work with local communities to effectively address Wal-Mart’s negative impact on issues like traffic, sprawl, the environment, and local businesses

NTD

You forgot the unwritten demand number 7.  UNIONIZE. 

The other six are a sham and would be forgotten by wake-up walmart, if number 7 was accomplished.

Mary Jo
Please go get a job at Walmart and see for yourself if you would like to be treated like that.
With all the things coming out on Walmart, do you just take what an employer gives you?
A job is a comprimise between employer and employee
People aren’t willing to be abused anymore!

Pete

What is a Living wage?  Please answer with a dollar amount.  Fill in the Blank…

$_ an hour equals a living wage. 

Also, how much should someone pay for Heath insurance? 

$_ per month.

NTD, I would like your answers on this.

I can post when I like. Nobody on this site knows what I do, what my job requirements are, what freedom and lattitude I am given and why I have such freedom. Nobody knows my schedule. Maybe I post when I get home in the morning and again when I wake up? Maybe I post whenever I feel like it? Maybe I post because I enjoy debate and I despise people who slander people and companies.

In any event, I do not cheat my employer. I don’t feel that I owe anyone an explanation and in fact this post goes out to the pro-Wal-Mart people (and Larry) only. But I feel that, in keeping with some of my previous posts regarding one’s commitment to their employer, I should clarify the situation.

I do not post at the expense of my employer, in any way, shape, or form.

I am not employed by Wal-Mart. Not as an executive, board member, manager or associate. I am not a Wal-Mart vendor. I am not a Wal-Mart stockholder, directly or indirectly.

I am not paid by Wal-Mart to post.

Rick this is much bigger then asking WM to address the demands of WUWM and others, which I have not demanded them to do.

WM started the retail price war years ago by advertising (Always Low Price) relying on their business model to keep prices low.  Now after years of playing catch up WM’s competition are competing with the same prices.  WM in an attempt to live up to that original (Always Low Price) has continued to look for ways to cut their cost.  As we all know there are only a few areas to cut cost once your product cost is bottomed out.  So payroll has become that cost center that has been whittled away over the years, which now the competition must follow to compete.

So in the end the American people can now buy crap for next to nothing that is shipped and stock by people that now make next to nothing.  This my friend is a sad picture of Corporate America and their quest to have the lowest priced crap.

Rick society will fill your blanks in, when they reach the bottom in regards to corporate sleaze.

You know something NTD.  I can almost believe what you are writing until you come up with “So in the end the American people can now buy crap for next to nothing”. 

Most of us have actually been to a Walmart.  We see the quality of the goods.  It is the same products you buy at K-Mart, Sears (except Sears paints their MTDs green and calls it a Craftsman), etc.  The only significant difference in the products is that Walmart is cheaper.

What is a living wage.

It is $12 dollars an hour.

Keep em, and cap em at 7 years.

Simple as that.

7.50 to start across the board, $9 in short order, 10 by the first 18 months, approaching $12 hourly towards three years, and inflation increases every other year.  Department managers get $1 hourly over associates.

Still 75% of costco, no union needed, and affordable healthcare.  Oh yeah - the healthcare plan works with the above numbers - even the value plan.  People will actually be able to save $1000 in the first 14 months; probably.

Bring it to fruition.

David cheap crap can be had at all big boxes; my statement was not focused solely on WM.

What is a living wage.

It is $12 dollars an hour.

Keep em, and cap em at 7 years.

OK I know I’ll regret it but I gotta ask how you came up with this and a couple of other questions.

1) Is this $12/hr a living wage for a single person, a married person, a single mother of 5 kids who is this living wage for?
(such as myself who was widowed 4 years ago the 29th of this month)

2) Do I understand you right after I work there for 7 years I don’t get another raise? I don’t think so!

and finally

3) So by your logic if I suck at my job as long as I show up as scheduled every day for 7 years I’m going to be making top wage?

And it is logic like this that has turned America into an unproductive nation. No one has to do anything good they just show up and get there paycheck. No one much cares about the quality of the work they do. I started my job making 6.00 an hour 6 years ago I now make 10.00 an hour, based on my performance and the job that I do. I make more then another guy in my department that has been here 5 years longer because he shows up late every day and does nothing he doesn’t have to do. When my boss retires I have already been told I will be getting his job. I work in a department that is tradionally male and was not welcomed with open arms but I persisted and am now one of the most valued employees in the building. I wasn’t at any point handed anything just because I was a woman, just because I showed up when I was in the mood, or just because some union said they had to hire me. In the same industry at the last place I worked I got the raises the union set for me nothing more, when I made a mistake the union contract said I couldn’t be fired because I was alone at the time I made the mistake. It was a bad mistake and cost the company I worked for a 50,000 dollar fine, and the simple truth is I should have been fired on the spot. As it turned out they just made my life hell till I quit. Why should a company be forced to keep an employee that does not perform their job proberly?

NTD.  You are still missing my point.  Walmart sells good quality products at a good price as does K-Mart and Sears.  You can shop all over the state and you might find better quality, but you will pay much higher prices.  In addiition, paying higher prices does not guarantee better quality.  It just guarantees you will spend more money for the product.

Lori, America is not an “unproductive nation” we are in fact one of the most productive country’s in the world.

Read what the 2005-05; March 11, 2005 Federal Reserve Bank San Francisco Economic Letter states:

“The performance of productivity in the U.S. economy has delivered some big surprises over the last several years. One surprise was in the latter half of the 1990s, when productivity growth surged to average an annual rate of over 3%, more than twice as fast as the rate in the previous two decades. A bigger surprise has been the further ratcheting up of productivity growth since the most recent recession. Even with a slowing to below a 1-3/4% annual pace in the second half of last year, productivity growth averaged around 3.8% for the 2001 through 2004 period. That is an extraordinarily high number by historical standards. It also is well above the consensus view among economists, which is that trend growth of productivity is on the order of 2-1/2% (see Yellen 2005).”

So once again stop spouting the same false unsupported right wing garbage to support your beliefs. You need to give some evidence whne you make such statements and you just don’t have the evidence because what you’re saying isn’t true.

Read the whole FRBSF Economic Letter here:

http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/letter/2005/el2005-05.html

How can you continue to tell people they owe 100% to their employer while on the clock and then you claim its ok for you to steal time from your employer, oh thats right its with his/her blessing?

Which is it Nick?

Please show a post of your that is not between 8am & 4pm I know I can’t find one!

I can post when I like. Nobody on this site knows what I do, what my job requirements are, what freedom and lattitude I am given and why I have such freedom. Nobody knows my schedule. Maybe I post when I get home in the morning and again when I wake up? Maybe I post whenever I feel like it? Maybe I post because I enjoy debate and I despise people who slander people and companies.

In any event, I do not cheat my employer. I don’t feel that I owe anyone an explanation and in fact this post goes out to the pro-Wal-Mart people (and Larry) only. But I feel that, in keeping with some of my previous posts regarding one’s commitment to their employer, I should clarify the situation.

I do not post at the expense of my employer, in any way, shape, or form.

I am not employed by Wal-Mart. Not as an executive, board member, manager or associate. I am not a Wal-Mart vendor. I am not a Wal-Mart stockholder, directly or indirectly.

I am not paid by Wal-Mart to post.

Yes, I work. No, I am not stealing from my employer. Since my ideas have saved my company a ton of money, I am given great latitude. I do have routine, mundane stuff to do. It is boring and without a challenge but I do it anyway. But I also come up with great ideas, be it for a new revenue stream or a cost savings or a HR experiment. My boss has told me he doesn’t care what I do as long as 1. I come to work on-time every day (which I do-never missed a day) 2. Get my routine work done-which I do. 3. Contribute to the bottom line with workable ideas-which I do. 4. Don’t give out information about the company-which I don’t.  That is pretty much it. My style of thinking is very different from most people’s. I am able to brainstorm, throw out 30 ideas and run with 1. It is great and I am very fortunate to work in this environment.
Nick in Wheeling
October 17, 2005

Nick

Don’t play their game.  Just ignore the personal attacks.  You don’t owe them any information whatsoever. 

Just do what you do best.  Provide a good argument.

JT

You quote some piece of some article you found on the internet ok so what look long enough and you can find anything on the internet. But with all the garbage you are spouting explain if America is soooooo productive and doing so great then just why is it that so many of Americas jobs are going over seas? Why is it that so many of Americas largest companies are either in bankruptsy or heading that way?
Oh I guess you don’t know it’s the lazy greedy union that has caused the problem. American made is over priced because the union has to stick their nose in every company that makes a profit.

Yes David the cost of products are very cheap now even better quality items.  My point is WM is driving the price of items down on the back of their employees thus cause others to follow to compete.  I for one would not mind paying a couple of bucks more for stuff if the people making and selling it would benefit.  There was an article on this site awhile back about adding a couple of cents to the cost of a shirt to help the poor folks making them, which I support as long as it gets to the workers here and there.

My point in regards to Nick is not personal.  If he preaches that employees owe 100% to their employer when on the clock (which he does) then he also owes 100% to his employer while on the clock, period.  Nick is no different then any one else, so he should practice what he preaches!

Lori you forgot to state that the U.S. cannot and are unable to make a vaccine for the Bird Flu because we outsourced that technology years a go.

Yes NTD you are argueing my point Americans want to much money for the work they do so everything must go over seas to make it affordable. If the unions would quit demanding higher pay for less work then “made in America” is something we could all be proud of again.