Walton Family Ranks 37th In Charitable Giving

I appreciate WMW for posting this about the Waltons.  They are not all bad and yes they have the money to give, nad we
should thank the Waltons for that. 

I believe the above article is quite fair.  Thanks again to WMW and to the Waltons for giving.

The only minor complaint I have is --the including of the
link to the “estate tax”.  I won’t comment further

Yea right.  The top 11 richest people come in 37th place for giving.
Wow! That’s real good.

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Alex-

Let me ask you this: Do the Waltons have to give anything at all? It is their money after all. Instead of crying about how it isn’t enough, you should be applauding their generosity.

Boy:  Hey Mom! I came in 37th at the marathon this weekend!

Mom:  But Sam, I thought that you were rated in the top 10 this year?

Boy:  Well that’s right mom. But shouldn’t I be applauded for putting in the minimum I could get away with anyway?

Mom:  Well son, you sure are not going to amount to much in this world with that behaviour.

Boy:  Yea, I guess your right. I sure must have let everyone down. I guess I haven’t fooled anyone mom.  Sorry. I need to grow up instead of thinking that I can fool everybody.

Bob-

Why is it that these people seem to think that the wealthy are obligated to give all of their money away? It’s theirs, and if they want to buy up expensive artwork, then that is their right. This is no different than any of us posting here. We have the right to spend our money how we see fit (so long as it’s legal), and no one can tell us that we have to donate X amount to charity.

Charitable giving is admirable, and I agree that the Waltons could give more. However, that they have given anything at all when they didn’t have to is something to be praised, not criticized by envious individuals like Alex.

How can you brag about Walmart being the worlds number 1 retailer while they are down to 37th when it comes to giving back to their communities?

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Missing the point.  Is it good that anything was given at all?  Yup.  Is it anywhere near what they COULD have given?  I think we all know the answer to that.  They don’t HAVE to do anything, we all know that but that isn’t the point and if anyone is confused as to what the point is than I doubt that anyone can explain it to them.

Isn’t the point that they shouldn’t have had all that money in the first place?  If they weren’t exploiting the poor and the environment, they wouldn’t be so wealthy.  Therefore, they should make their money without exploitation, and then, when they are slightly less ridiculously weathly, do what they want with that money.

Thankyou fellow Canadian.
I don’t think that anyone could put it as well as you did.

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Above we have another person that thinks National Health Care just falls out of the sky. Yet the truth is that it is not free (that is hard to get through to our friends south of the borders heads). We pay for it with our taxes. It is a system that I would never trade with your system.

Class envy? If that is so, why do you feel so threatened that you have to keep the lowest paid workers below you? Do you feel threatened?

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IRONHEAD, you state, “I am one of the lucky ones, and I thank God that I am a member of an orginized labor UNION. One that pays for my healthcare and that of my family, my retirement, my anuity, and my vacation fund. One that has my back should I be wrongly fired, or treated poorly. One that has negotiated wages and bennifits that my family and I can live on comfortably. One that we vote on issues that concern us (the workers) in the work place, and have a voice in our future. THANK GOD for the UNIONS!!!!!!!!!

Where does the union get all the money to pay for these great things you mention?

Michael D. in Connecticut

It is part of the negotiated contract. The company pays into these accounts over and above my salery. This would not be possible were it not for the UNIONS. BTW my union dues are $37.50 per mo. Which is not quite 2 hours work.

Think about it, $21.00 per hour, wages… $3.00 per hr. into my annuity...., $3.00 per hr. into my insurance...., $3.50 per hr into my retirement....,and $2.50 per hr. into my vacation..., and all for $37.50 per mo........THANK GOD FOR THE UNIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael D. in Connecticut

I answered your question, now answer mine.

What is your position with WAL-MART, and what are your bennifits?

DAVE SMITH
PROUD UNION IRONWORKER

IRONHEAD -

I am a Store Manager with Wal-Mart.

My benefits are too lengthy to list…

My dues are $0.00 per month!!!

Michael D......Don’t try to fool anyone with all your benefits you say you have. Well big mouth, just get sick a day and your company will tell you that you have no sick time. Yes everyone, I was a manager at Wal-Mart and was sick a day and the company told me that managers have no sick time off. Michael D....go blow some smoke somewhere else.

Michael D. in Connecticut

Now tell me this......What are the benifits for the non-management walmart associates? I’ll bet that they can’t compete with yours or mine for that matter. But if they vote in a UNION, they can negotiate for much better benefits than they have now. And if they do have to pay UNION dues of a couple of hours per month, but if their dues can help them to get real medical coverage, more hours, a constant work scedual, better treatment from the company, job security, full time employment sooner, ect............. Whats that worth to your average employee? I’ll bet it’s worth more than what the dues are, by far.

You and most management have this ...I’ve got mine you get yours the best way you can(but don’t you dare ask for help from a union) attitude. People are fed up with that kind of treatment from your kind. People are tired of those that shit all over their fellow man to get what they want, no matter what the cost to everyone else.

But you and the rest of the company crowd are scared of the idea of strength in numbers. You and I know that people as a single unit are disposable but as a large group they get the upper hand. You and I know that the “united we stand devided we fall” saying is true, the rest of your employees are starting to wise up, and it wont be long untill there are UNIONS in WM. You know it, and I know it.

DAVE SMITH
PROUD UNION IRONWORKER

The question we are all asking is if the workers get more [God forbid them being able to support their family] what would the Walmart family do? Does anyone realize how embarrasing it is to drop out of the top 10 richest people in the world.
God forbid!!!

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IRONHEAD,

“but if their dues can help them to get real medical coverage, more hours, a constant work scedual, better treatment from the company, job security, full time employment sooner, ect.............”

Here’s what’s wrong with your thinking, this comes from the newest thread to this site:

“there is no denying that health care costs are a crushing burden for the automakers. General Motors pays out more in health care than any other company in the country: some $5 billion a year. Health care costs add $1,500 to the price of every General Motors automobile. Over the decades, the company negotiated extraordinary retiree health benefits with the United Auto Workers.”

And, look at what those extraordinary health benefits have done to that company, now, you guys want Wal-Mart to get themselves into this same situation, why would they want to do that?  You have to remember one principle, “For every action, there is an equal reaction” and that reaction is higher prices, which will make people go somewhere else to shop, that’s what happened to your favorite ‘mom & pops’, do you really think that Wal-Mart is so stupid, they would want to run themselves out of business?  People here wonder why Wal-Mart doesn’t take their advice and raise wages and give better benefits, but, fact is, rich people don’t take advice from people who can’t even take care of their own lives and can’t get ahead without asking for handouts.

Wrong, you care about the Waltons.
We care about the people who’s names you don’t know.

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IRONHEAD…

“Now tell me this......What are the benifits for the non-management walmart associates? I’ll bet that they can’t compete with yours or mine for that matter.”

My benefits are the same as the hourly associates.

“But if they vote in a UNION, they can negotiate for much better benefits than they have now. And if they do have to pay UNION dues of a couple of hours per month, but if their dues can help them to get real medical coverage, more hours, a constant work scedual, better treatment from the company, job security, full time employment sooner, ect.............”

You neglect to say if this is guaranteed or if it’s a “possibility?”...we all know the answer...why would I elect someone to speak for me if they guaranteed me nothing?  you all talk like the unions guarantee you something...that’s a load of crap!!

“You and most management have this ...I’ve got mine you get yours the best way you can(but don’t you dare ask for help from a union) attitude. People are fed up with that kind of treatment from your kind. People are tired of those that shit all over their fellow man to get what they want, no matter what the cost to everyone else”

Sorry for what I believe in.  That is why this is called The United States of America.  I prefer things like this versus your ideologic utopia that represents a pseudo-socialist state where evryone can be equal.  I’ll be God-damned if I am going to bust my tail at work and not get ahead!  I have a nice house, a nice car, and a nice family because I worked at it.  I do not expect anything handed to me because I was part of a “group” or because I was a number in the “strength in numbers” argument. 

“and it wont be long untill there are UNIONS in WM. You know it, and I know it.”

Don’t hold your breath!!! 

I respect your decision to be a member of a union, and I respect your decision to back your union.  The iron industry needs unions due to the nature of the business.