What do Wal-Mart Employees Have to Cheer For?

Comparing the cheering crowds at today’s shareholders meeting with the recent class action lawsuit certified against the company, CNBC asks, “Are Wal-Mart’s workers happy?”

Worker Wars at Wal-Mart [CNBC]

A number of unions dislike Wal-Mart for what some call unacceptable working conditions. But some of Wal-Mart’s 1.3 million US workers are celebrating the company at today’s annual shareholder meeting. So, does Wal-Mart really treat its employees fairly or not? Joining me now is Judith Spanier, plaintiffs’ attorney and partner at Abbey, Spanier, Rod and Abrhams. She won a verdict - a $78 million verdict - for employees who sued Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania and now has a similar case in New Jersey, the case that was certified yesterday, I believe. And Eliza Herzberg is partner and employment lawyer at Olshan, Grundman, Frome. Nice to have you back here, ladies. Pleasure.

SPANIER: Nice to be here.

HERZBERG: Nice to be here.

CNBC: Judith, let me start with you if I could. Obviously, given your background of winning a case once and getting this case certified you do not believe that Wal-Mart treats its employees fairly - specifically, why?

SPANIER: Wal-Mart’s workers really have no voice except for litigation. The only thing that Wal-Mart fights harder than class certification of lawsuits is the unionization of its workers. Wal-Mart’s efforts against unions, against what it refers to as “third party representation,” are really endless and very hard-fought. They’ll close a store if they think a union has even the most remote chance of succeeding rather than permitting union organization in its stores. Wal-Mart has a policy called the “open door” policy, but, as a practical matter, you open the door to complain I think you’re going to be shown the door. That is certainly what we’ve seen in the context of the litigation of these lawsuits.

CNBC: Aliza, you disagree, I understand, and basically think that Wal-Mart DOES treat it’s employees fairly.

HERZBERG: Well, first of all, Wal-Mart is a unique employer where all the employees make over $10 an hour when minimum wage is only $7.15. Wal-Mart provides health insurance for every employee at low cost, Wal-Mart provides employees opportunities to rise in the ranks - there are many people without high school diplomas who have risen in the ranks and are making six figure salaries. But all that aside, it’s not an unusual position for a retailer to be against unionization of their workforce. It’s actually the typical position because there are many reasons why retailers and many others and some of these employees feel that unions are not the answer.

CNBC: Judith, there are a number of companies around this country that do not want a union. Why is it that Wal-Mart stand out in this particular case, certainly, or why some people say it’s the “poster child?”

SPANIER: I really think it is the poster child, but I want to address the statistics Ms. Herzberg mentioned. The fact that the average FULL time worker may be at $10.51 an hour - the number you flashed across your screen - really doesn’t reflect what most of the employees at Wal-mart are making. The Chambers memo, which was leaked by someone within Wal-Mart and which sits at the New York Times website now shows Wal-Mart’s efforts to ensure its workforce is mostly part time employees. Those part time employees aren’t making the average hourly wage for a full time employee. Most of their employees I don’t think are receiving insurance coverage when you read the Chambers ememo, the Chambers memo itself admits what Wal-Mart knows which is how few of its employees recieve health coverage and when you look at the strategies the Chambers memo is positing - and I think Wal-Mart is carrying those strategies out - let’s get rid of the least healthy workers, let’s get rid of the most fragile workers, let’s ensure that we’re not going to get workers who are going to use our benefits because our benefits are too expensive.

CNBC: Ok, Eliza?

HERZBERG: You know, I’m not familiar with all of the allegations that you’re making, but..

SPANIER: They’re in the New York Times [laughs]

Posted by Alex Goldschmidt on Friday, June 01, 2007

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COMMENTS

Government already dictates 90% of business’ actions. Now they are going to control price (oil), intellectual property (Microsoft), bad decisions by users (tobacco) and the right to hire and fire employees (Wal-Mart).

We are on step away from Communism. It should come as no suprise to intelligent folks that Hilary Clinton this week spoke of the need to do away with a society of individuals and look to the “collective good”.

Social Democrats-Communists at heart.

Nick in
Friday, June 01 at 05:32 PM

Global Warming is REAL!!!!

Heidi Cullen in Atlanta, GA
Friday, June 01 at 07:04 PM

Oh yeah,

Wal-Mart employees have a lot to cheer for since they are the draculas of the third world. Who does not love being that? Come ye smileys, and Lynch your fellow human being to attain pleasure.

Wal-Mart’s buyers are famous for lynching.. in other words torturing people from third world countries to satisfy their shareholders in AMERIKKKA.

Behold brother, now that has spread to AMERIKKKA itself, albeit in disguise.

There is a company called CTS or more commonly Cognizant Technology Solutions that hires people in INDIA and sheperds them here, luring them with all the hypothetical comforts available only in the USA.

Guess what? Wal-Mart has got hold of them. So now they are out to torture these poor souls. They are ORDERED to show up at 7.00AM and not leave earlier than 6.00PM. Meanwhile the old farts who hold the shares of this company are getting more restless and envious of other companies doing well.

Poor CTS, when no one else agreed to abide by the satan, CTS did.

If you guys are truly against Wal-Mart, show up at the David Glass Technology Center in Bentonville and find out for yourself.

Can you say SLAVERY! Some poor souls from INDIA are under it, because all the UNEDUCATED BIG FAT RED PIGS in north west arkansas want to retire early.

eh Lee Scott want to buy a DIAMOND!!!!! I’ve got some you shitpot.

SmileyHater in
Friday, June 01 at 11:18 PM

Wal-Mart’s management is completely devoted to Defending their historical positions.  They are Locked-in to an old Success Formula that is out of touch with current customer needs, and thus they no longer can grow as they once did.  So instead of spending on land and stores they will buy back their own shares to manipulate EPS and try to further defend an ever-weakening facade.  Read more at http://www.ThePhoenixPrinciple.com

adam hartung in Chicago, IL
Saturday, June 02 at 09:46 AM

Wal-Mart must treat employees pretty good since they employ 1.5 million Americans and manage to replace about 40% of them each year with wages of less than $10 per hour. They also get thousands of applications for 300 jobs and they have a lower acceptance rate than Harvard!

Logic dictates that if Wal-Mart is a horrible place to work and pays poorly, Wal-Mart could not convince people to work for them until they “improved” their treatment of employees and increased their compensation. Since they have no trouble attracting applicants to jobs, it is obvious that Wal-Mart treats employees well enough and pays enough.

All this emotional whining means NOTHING. What matters are 1. Do applicants apply at Wal-Mart? 2. Do vendors deal with Wal-Mart? 3. Do customers shop at Wal-Mart? With 1.5 million US employees, 60,000 + vendors and record sales and profits in 2006, I think it’s safe to say that Wal-Mart is well liked, popular and worth working with.

Nick in
Saturday, June 02 at 12:59 PM

I’ll add your link to my list of disenchanted financial analysts, Adam.

It is Defending its old Success Formula with firings, lawsuits and financial machinations.

Financial machinations? Are you implying that if the numbers aren’t actually lying they may at least be fibbing?

<i>I think it’s safe to say....”

Does the phrase ‘false sense of security’ mean anything to you, Nick?

Ken V in Texas
Saturday, June 02 at 06:30 PM

I HAVE PROOF THAT WAL-MART LACKS INTEGRITY & HONESTY. I RECEIVED TWO CHECKS IN THE MAIL TODAY FROM WAL-MART WITH A LETTER ENCLOSED THAT STATES
OOPS, THEY UNDERPAID 87,000 EMPLOYEEE AND THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS I AM SURE WAL-MART WAS FORCED TO PAY THE AMOUNTS DUE.........

WAL-MART GOT CAUGHT SNEAKING PAYROLL DOLLARS FROM THEIR EMPLOYEES. MY CHECKS WERE OF A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. IMAGINE THAT!

WAL-MART CAN’T AFFORD TO HELP WITH INSURANCE BENEFITS, PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES A DECENT WAGE AND STATE THAT THEY “CARE” ABOUT THEIR EMPLOYEES WHILE ALL THE TIME THEY HAVE BEEN PILFERING FROM THEM.

I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, I WAS A WAL-MART ASSISTANT MANAGER.

Withheld to protect in
Saturday, June 02 at 07:20 PM

“They also get thousands of applications for 300 jobs and they have a lower acceptance rate than Harvard!” [Nick]

LOL.....so does that mean the Walmart workers get into Harvard easier too Nick?
You are too much.

R E M E M B E R
J O N Q U I E R E
Q U E B E C
Home of Walmart Worker Abuse
We will never forget what you did Walmart.
Never

Alex in Ontario, Canada
Saturday, June 02 at 08:01 PM

“LOL.....so does that mean the Walmart workers get into Harvard easier too Nick?  You are too much.”

Alex you really are stupid aren’t you!!

Mary in
Saturday, June 02 at 09:53 PM

Nick,

Thought you might like to hear this!!  Today, I was at Wal-Mart getting an oil & filter change and it was taking awhile, so my wife made the comment, “Why is it taking so long?” The ‘associate’ waiting on us, overheard her and made this comment, “Well, we are really swamped with cars today and the reason we have to take longer, is that we have to be real careful, because of all the lawsuits we have been getting!!”.  We got to talking off and on, with him and another ‘associate’ and both seemed very happy to be working for Wal-Mart!!  I know quite a few Wal-Mart employees and have yet to find one that is any more unhappy than anyone I know working elsewhere!!  Most people EVERYWHERE, have things to gripe about at work!!

Bob in
Saturday, June 02 at 10:24 PM

...we have to be real careful, because of all the lawsuits we have been getting!!”.

Another unreasonable customer demand, huh, Bob? Imagine asking someone who’s working on your car “to be real careful”.

I hope they were “real careful” with your car, Bob. Just to be on the safe side you might want to pull the old dipstick. The internet is awash with stories of Wal-Mart TLEs over or under-filling on oil changes. While you’re at it you might also bend down and look for leaks on the driveway. Improperly installing oil filters and getting medieval with drain plugs have resulted in lawsuits as well.

Based on the reputation of Wal-Mart TLEs, I have to question the judgement of anyone who takes their second most valuable possession to Wal-Mart. (If it’s your wife’s car, Bob, that’s another story.:o)

*You horror fans can Google WalMart TLE and read some hair-raising tales that make Stephen King sound like Dr. Seuss.

Lawsuits, indeed.

Ken V in Texas
Sunday, June 03 at 03:10 AM

“LOL.....so does that mean the Walmart workers get into Harvard easier too Nick?  You are too much.”

Alex you really are stupid aren’t you!!

Mary in
Saturday, June 02 at 10:53 PM

No Mary, you are stupid. Everyone except you can tell a joke when it says LOL.

R E M E M B E R
J O N Q U I E R E
Q U E B E C
Home of Walmart Worker Abuse

Alex in Ontario, Canada
Sunday, June 03 at 06:35 AM

“No Mary, you are stupid. Everyone except you can tell a joke when it says LOL. “

Well then Alex I suggest you need to keep working on that English dialect because the way you phrased your response your LOL was in response to Nick’s statement not your response.  But I guess that’s a Canada thing eh.

Mary in
Sunday, June 03 at 07:13 AM

Alex, pay no attention to Mary’s ignorant insult about your Canadian heritage. Those of us who live in states that share a border with Canada and deal with Canadians on a daily basis know she’s just another U.S. citizen to be ashamed of.

Mary, did you forget how Canada has supported the United States in times of war, or how Canada allowed it’s embassy to be used to help U.S. citizens masquerade as Canadians in order escape being captured and most likely killed?

Or maybe your hatred doesn’t allow you to look for the good things our Neighbor to the North has accomplished.

Rob in
Sunday, June 03 at 07:58 AM

Poor WalMartWatch. It appears you would have no life, nothing negative to focus on, no money from unions funding your efforts, without Wal-Mart. Oops, did I say “unions?”

Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. has never claimed to be perfect. It has a diverse associate base representing almost every race, creed, religion, and national origin. It is one of the few companies I have seen which employs the elderly and those with various physical disabilitites. With more than a million employees worldwide, it is difficult to weed out all those who don’t uphold the integrity and ethics Wal-Mart strives for.

WalMartWatch members seem to think it is their duty to save us from what they view as a giant retail monster. We are adults with free will. If you don’t like Wal-Mart, don’t shop there. If you don’t like working for them, look for another job and quit. No one is holding a smoking gun to your head. Are you so naive as to believe that other companies don’t have employees who complain about their work, their salary, their benefits?

Success is a hard thing to take. Especially when you’re on the outside looking in. It seems to be a natural instict to want to destroy those who are at the top of their game. I suspect the true reason behind WalMartWatch is sour grapes on the part of unions who aren’t getting a piece of the action. Imagine, all those billions just slipping through their fingers. Makes you want to cry, doesn’t it?

Wal-Mart executives make it clear that the success of the company is due to those associates who work in the stores and the various divisions that support the retail sector of Wal-Mart. If the majority, and I mean MAJORITY, of Wal-Mart employees are as dissatisfied and unhappy as others would have us believe how do you explain Wal-Mart’s success? Please don’t waste my time with undignified or stupid explanations.

Recently, Wal-Mart has been accused of caving in to various special interest groups. The company’s focus toward enviromentally friendly stores and products is seen as trying to appease these groups. Why are you complaining if it’s something which is good for all of us? The same ones pointing fingers because Wal-Mart has chosen to take a step toward “going green” would be the same ones complaining if Wal-Mart didn’t do antyhing toward cleaning up the environment. Make up your mind. Or could it be that you can’t because nothing Wal-Mart does will every be good enough?

I suspect that if I do get a response to my blog it will be a personal attack and not one based on facts. *sigh*

Littlenikita10 in Bentonville, AR
Sunday, June 03 at 09:43 AM

If the majority, and I mean MAJORITY, of Wal-Mart employees are as dissatisfied and unhappy...

As I’m sure you know, Littlenikita10, Wal-Mart is very tight-lipped about their annual turnover rate.  It normally runs in the 40% range, not quite a “MAJORITY” but large enough to give one pause about just how happy the average associate is.

Early in this decade Wal-Mart’s TOR hit 70% so there’s a chance it could be a majority this year. If only you’d post the rate for ‘06 we could discuss this.  ((sigh))

Ken V in Texas
Sunday, June 03 at 11:37 AM

I work at Mc Donald’s and I am extremely satisfied.  Mc Donald’s knows how to run a business.  Walmart people seem distracted.  I imagine they are not happy.

Joey in Shreveport, LA
Sunday, June 03 at 04:14 PM

Ken,

Is Wal-Mart anymore tight lipped than other companies? I am curious as to where you found the turnover rate of 40 percent. I am not being argumentive but I am genuinely interested as to what documentation you found to support that statement.

Littlenikita10 in Bentonville, AR
Sunday, June 03 at 07:13 PM

Ken V,

“I hope they were “real careful” with your car, Bob. Just to be on the safe side you might want to pull the old dipstick. The internet is awash with stories of Wal-Mart TLEs over or under-filling on oil changes. While you’re at it you might also bend down and look for leaks on the driveway. Improperly installing oil filters and getting medieval with drain plugs have resulted in lawsuits as well.”

That is what they said they have to be careful about, they were told not to touch a drain plug, if it looks as if it was damaged or if the hood didn’t open properly.  Seems people were bring in cars this way and then blaming Wal-Mart for it.  Now, I know that you will say that NOBODY would damage their drain plug and then bring it in and blame the damage on Wal-Mart, because, to you, Wal-Mart is the only ones on the planet, that are dishonest!!  I have been having my oil & filter changed there for years and not one problem, in fact, I’m taking my truck in tomorrow!!

“As I’m sure you know, Littlenikita10, Wal-Mart is very tight-lipped about their annual turnover rate.  It normally runs in the 40% range,”

I wonder if you have ever thought about this, every year, college students work for Wal-Mart, when they graduate, what do you think they do, stay on at Wal-Mart?  What about high school students, they might be going on to college after graduation, somewhere else.  Then there are to older people, who might just go into retirement and so on and so on!!  There are many reasons that people might leave there jobs!!  Where I worked, we had a turnover rate of about 25% and we were a factory, where people are usually expected to stay longer, and we didn’t have any college students or teenagers working for us!!

Bob in
Sunday, June 03 at 09:38 PM

...I am genuinely interested as to what documentation you found to support that statement.

Wal-Mart no longer discloses its turnover rate, but spokeswoman Sarah Clark told The Morning News several years ago that it hovered between 40 percent and 45 percent, although some outside estimates have placed Wal-Mart’s turnover rate closer to 50 percent or higher.

And this.....

As the nation’s biggest private employer with 1.3 million workers, Wal-Mart suffers one of the highest worker turnover rates in the industry, said Burt Flickinger, managing director with retail consulting firm Strategic Resources Group, who cited his firm’s own research.

Wal-Mart spokesman Marty Heirs acknowledged the high turnover and said Wal-Mart was taking steps to address it.

If that’s not enough for you, Littlenikita10, you can <i>Google Walmart turnover rate and feast on sources.

Seems people were bring in cars this way and then blaming Wal-Mart for it.

That’s the company line alright, Bob. My favorite story came from a customer that pointed out a 1-inch trail of oil going from the bay where his car was worked on, out to the parking lot where there was a small pool, and then the 1-inch trail again down the highway until his engine seized.

Wal-Mart’s explanation: It was like that when you brought it in.

Ken V in Texas
Monday, June 04 at 04:29 AM

Ken V,

“That’s the company line alright, Bob. My favorite story came from a customer that pointed out a 1-inch trail of oil going from the bay where his car was worked on, out to the parking lot where there was a small pool, and then the 1-inch trail again down the highway until his engine seized.”

Just for the sake of debate, let’s say your story is true, okay?  Is it Wal-Mart’s policy to TLE’s that they are to improperly do oil changes?  Or, is it the incompetence of certain employees?  And, is it those employees that have been sited here to get higher raises and better benefits?  In almost every business, you show your skill first, then you are rewarded, why are you guys advocating rewards first and then we hope that the skill will get better?

As for turnover, Wal-Mart could slow that down if they wanted to, just stop hiring high school students, college students, people with large families, low skilled workers and senior citizens, all these types of people will move on in a short period of time (3 years or less).  Do you think it would be a good idea to do that?

Bob in
Monday, June 04 at 09:22 AM

Greetings,
I have not been to this sight in a while but an earlier visit inspired me to write a journal entry on my BLOG (www.kgcdirect.squarespace.com) called “WAL-MART Hits a Wall!” I am a demographer, a person who studies how aging populations effect business. Demographically Wal-Mart has shot itself in the foot. Their best customer, the Baby Boomer, is now aging out of its high consumption years. Generation X, now 22 to 42, is too small to pick up the slack and Wal-Mart doesn’t have a clue as to how to market to Generation Y, now 22 and under. It will be a slow but VERY sure death. Based on the thousands of hits to my sight from around the world, especially China, I would say there is global concern. Bye, Bye Miss American Pie.

Ken Fronbach in Haddam, CT
Monday, June 04 at 10:40 AM

No doubt that wal-mart has its issues, however there is good to be said about it. It gives some the opportunity to have an income.  Here in Maine the wages are very low, compaired to the rest of the country in richer areas. the starting pay here is around 7.00/ hr for most basic jobs.  To the single mom with no prospects wal-mart is a godsend, it allows a person to at least make some income where in other cases there is none.  they provide a service, thats it.

The people that shop there dont care about the employees, they care about saving money with convienence - two things that walmart provides.
wal-mart does some pretty crummy stuff, like not allowing even a hint of the word union, or rotational firings, and other unjust practices, however untill the line is crossed with the people of america nothing will change.
a million dollar fine to the biggest corporate retail giant in the world its just considered cost of doing business.

eventually if people actually cared about what is going on things will change but probably not till then.

nick in maine
Monday, June 04 at 12:15 PM

nick in maine

You touched on a very important point. No company will change anything unless pushed by the government or market forces. For example, those stupid BP commercials where they interview some morons off the street, demanding that Big Oil offer an alternative to gasoline! Why not commercials telling McDonald’s to start selling a substitute for Hamburgers and Fries?! Why not commercials telling Coca Cola to provide an alternative to Coca-Cola?

Exxon Mobil sells gasoline because that’s what consumers demand. McDonald’s sells hamburgers because consumers demand hamburgers. Coca-Cola sells pop because that is what consumers want. If there was no market for gas, hamburgers or Coke, nobody would sell them.

On the flip side, we have the morons of government telling us that we need our tax dollars to finance stem cell research and alternative fuels. We already know that politicians lack any understanding of the marketplace. But these arguments for taxpayer funding are so pathetic, they nearly give me a stroke. If there was a MARKET demand for stem cell research of alternative fuels-BELIEVE ME-some capitalist individual or corporation would be out selling stem cells or alternative fuels and raking in billions. The fact that these things can’t attract capital means they have very little potential. If there is money to be made, someone would have invested in it.

Where am I going with this? Well, I am trying to say that Wal-Mart employees VOLUNTARILY apply at Wal-Mart, accept employment and remain employed of their own free will. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. People do what it in their own best interest. Why do 1.5 million Americans work at Wal-Mart? Because they obviously feel that it is worth their time. Why do 60,000 + vendors deal with Wal-Mart? Because they are making money at it-VOLUNTARILY. Why did consumers spend $345 billion at Wal-Mart last year? Because they feel that they get something of value for their money and they VOLUNTARILY shop at Wal-Mart in their own self interest.

All of these transactions are VOLUNTARY and all groups-companies, vendors, employees and consumers-engage in trade VOLUNTARILY because they feel that the effort is profitable enough for them to take the time to do so.

Nick in
Monday, June 04 at 05:00 PM

“We already know that politicians lack any understanding of the marketplace.”
Nick’s commenting on Dubya

“But these arguments for taxpayer funding are so pathetic, they nearly give me a stroke.”
Nick not having yet fully grasped the WalMart argument for corporate subsidies-

WalMart- We make Hogzilla on steroid subsidies look good. Why not justify economic drivel theory and impoverish wages to create fist fights at Habitat for Humanity. WalMart can televise the incidents along with the military recruitment videos.

SanDiegoView in
Monday, June 04 at 06:56 PM

Or, is it the incompetence of certain employees?

In many cases it is incompetence, or lack of training. Either way, whose responsibility is that?

Two quick anecdotes about Wal-Mart TLEs that come from previous blogs:

You might as well drive downtown and pick up the first high school drop-out you can find to work on your car.

And this from a current employee that claims the following sign was posted in the break room:

WANTED: Associates for TLE. No experience necessary.

No discussion of TLEs would be complete without mentioning that Wal-Mart is self-insured. Every penny they pay out in TLE damage claims comes directly out of the Beast’s pocket.

Ken V in Texas
Tuesday, June 05 at 08:56 AM

Again the same-O and same-O

Just to add something to the fire—Wal-Mart recently paid over $3,500.00 to fix the problem created by a TLE oil change on a customer’s BMW.

The Sage in
Tuesday, June 05 at 02:42 PM

TLE has this story item from some years back-

A woman had her car serviced for an oil change at a WalMart TLE and afterwards while driving home noticed smoke from the back of the car. Being a few blocks from her house she immediately made it home and into the garage and then she was inside to call her husband about the problem. The smoke turned into a car fire which subsequently caused the garage to catch on fire and then burn the house down. While neighbors and community called/sent/applied the fire department, WalMart sent lawyers.

WalMart has notorious problems with servicing cars for oil changes and not tightening the oil filter on completely, thus causing fires and engine damage/destruction. They never accept responsibility for these failed actions by TLE and require you to go through a manipulative and deceitful process of applied for compensation for expenses and damages. These ‘love of money’ psychopaths in Bentonville operate without any sense of accountability or responsibility.
WalMart and TLE are to be avoided for many many reasons-

WalMart- Ruthless and fraudulent against employees and customers, not just the taxpayers. We don’t send accountability or responsibility, we send lawyers.

SanDiegoView in
Tuesday, June 05 at 02:51 PM

SDV,

“afterwards while driving home noticed smoke from the back of the car. Being a few blocks from her house she immediately made it home and into the garage and then she was inside to call her husband about the problem.”

What kind of idiot, continues to drive a ‘smoking’ car?  And, then, be stupid enough to put that ‘smoking car’ in the garage?  Did she never hear, “Where there is smoke, there could be fire”?

From the little facts you have posted, it would be hard to tell whether or not the fire was a result of an oil change.  First, I don’t see any reason that a fire would result from ANYTHING having to do with an oil change, I could see the engine freezing up or something of that nature, but losing your oil would remove a fire hazard (the oil), not create one!!  Besides, how long was it, before she saw the smoke and why not take it back to Wal-Mart instead of driving it home?

Bob in
Wednesday, June 06 at 01:47 PM

but losing your oil would remove a fire hazard (the oil), not create one!!

How about a nice, fine mist of oil on the catalytic converter?

Your cars perfectly running catalytic converter gets very hot… enough to start fires.

Ken V in Texas
Wednesday, June 06 at 06:25 PM

Ken V,

“How about a nice, fine mist of oil on the catalytic converter?”

Possible, but it was claimed that the fire didn’t start until AFTER the car was in the garage, not while driving!!  You would think that a fine mist, would occur when the engine was running, not after it was shut off!!  I’m not saying it didn’t happen, it just sounds suspicious!!

Bob in
Wednesday, June 06 at 08:56 PM

I’m not saying it didn’t happen, it just sounds suspicious!!

Cars have never been one of your strong points, Bob.

Ken V in Texas
Thursday, June 07 at 04:01 AM

Ken V,

“Cars have never been one of your strong points, Bob.”

I Never claimed to be a car expert!! 

And, Logic and Common Sense, have never been your strong points either!!  To you, if someone said it, no matter how illogical it may sound, it must be true, unless it goes against who you are ‘posing’ to be today!!

Bob in
Thursday, June 07 at 11:00 AM

Actually that’s false information. I worked at a Wal*Mart in Ohio. The min. wage was under $5.50. Recently the Ohio min. wage was increased to almost $7.00. I didn’t even scratch up $9/hour after that increase, even though I’d been there for nearly two years. And I was a full time employee. Here’s the kicker though. People that had been working there before the increase got their wages adjusted by taking the min. wage and adding any raises they’d gotten after that to it. But if you would earn “outside your pay level bracket” you didn’t see a raise. You got nothing. And the people that hired in after the increase? Made almost the same or more than a person in the same pay level that had been employed full time for a year.
And for the record, yes they made as many people part time and temporary that they could get away with. Full time employees also rarely saw a forty-hour work week, normally ranging more between 36-38 hours per week. If you weren’t paying attention to your schedule, they would try to schedule you for less than what is qualified for full time as well.

Gail in VA
Thursday, June 07 at 05:58 PM

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