What Would Sam Say: Wal-Mart Forces Man Out of Home

The particulate matter being dispersed may very well be a violation of the Stormwater ProtectionPlan(SWPP) required as a part of the initial permitting process.It may sound incongruous to think that dust control is related to stormwater,but these Federal SWPP plans,require these measures, and ,DO stipulate that dust must be controlled by water trucks,or other means.Also,the decibel levels of the blasts may be in violation of OSHA and World Health Organization standards of acceptability.(Walmarts well documented and extensive history of shoddy construction practices re:stormwater runoff,lack of dust control,creating landslides with blasting has resulted in multiple actions by the EPA against WalMart and the contractors hired to do these projects.The EPA website has much info on these issues.)

<a href="http://www.fox41.com/article/view/14281/?tf=wdrbarticleview.tpl">WDRB Fox 41</i> coverage of the incident had some great quotes from Mr. McCarty:

<i?"It’s tore my life and my wife’s life all to pieces.”

“We don’t have a home anymore. They have took our feeling of home away from us.”

“That’s the way America is anymore, seems like.  It’s all about money, and who has the money—to slip under the table. And, of course, they would say that don’t happen, but I’m gonna go on camera and say—I believe it does."</i>

A tip of the Anti Wal-Mart tin foil hat to you, David McCarty! :o)

WDRB Fox 41

Nick has been banned from these forums by the cowards at WMW. They are so interested in changing Wal-Mart, they ban people who disagree with them!

Cowards!

ken V in Texas: Have you gone to PutnamLIVE.com,yet?There is a blog of daily entries for some time now about what its like to lie next to a Walmart construction site-this is worth the time to go and check it out.This is one of Walmarts dark sides that is rarely explored in depth-the agony of the construction phase when siting in neighborhoods-all too frequent,and all too rare to get much press on this issue...thousand of neighborhoods are permanently scarred and devalued with the presence of the Bentonvillains....and all its negative baggage.

Ken V in Texas:That should have read “what its like to live next to...” The lie is the one told by lee scott when he said “Every neighborhood ought to have a Walmart"-ya’ think hes got one just feet behind his home??

John Gault in:Who is John Galt is the question in Ayn Rand’s ATLAS SHRUGGED,isnt it,Nick?

Have you gone to PutnamLIVE.com,yet?

No, I haven’t, but I will.

Who is John Galt is the question in Ayn Rand’s ATLAS SHRUGGED,isnt it,Nick?

Yes it is, but hardheaded Nick can’t seem to get the spelling right.

Ken V:When you get to the PutnamLIVE site,scroll down to the Commentary section-keep scrolling-till you come to the title “Enduring WalMart Construction,a diary of what its like to live next to a construction site”..this young man and his wife and month old infant have endured many indignities,as many of us have,regarding these particular issues.

Good link, dd, thanks.

I particularly like the list of ordinances and laws that apparently don’t apply to Wal-Mart and I loved this:

“Fashion and Wal-Mart don’t mix. Wal-Mart’s first attempt to sell designer clothing has been a huge flop. I wonder why. Oh, I know, because it’s Wal-Mart. If your customers cared about fashion, they’d shop someplace classier, like the Salvation Army. The only fashion question a Wal-Mart shopper has is, “Can I get this in camouflage?” Okay, never mind. It’s all right.” ~ Bill Maher

Ken V: Your welcome.Ive been monitoring this site for several months now(PutnamLIVE),and,as I said in earlier posts ,you can choose to shop or not at Walmart,or to work or not at Walmart,but “Home Invasions"by the Bentonvillains is often akin to corporate terrorism in its tactics.Confidentiality agreements between realtors,and in some cases,local,state and federal politicians veil the fact that a Walmart may even be a possibility in your own backyard.The construction phase has received little press,but it is more often than not,an environMENTAL nightmare! But the insanity doesn’t end with the completion of the project-once its open,crime,devaluation of property,noise pollution,air pollution,traffic jams,etc. ad infinitum-WalMart..Sam’s Dream.. Homeowner’s Worst Nightmare!(BTW...Many off duty police officers work at WalMarts-thats another reason why ignoring ordinances is more often than not the rule rather than the exception.)

ddrb,

It’s a sad fact of life, that there are always some people who get hurt by PROGRESS!!  But, PROGRESS works to benefit the many, over the few!!  You may not look at it as PROGRESS, but that’s because YOU are the one being hurt!!

Anti sprawl, led by Al Norman, has long been a major faction of the overall Anti Wal-Mart Movement.

You want a real trip into Wal-Mart construction nightmares, look into building site desecrations both here, Hawaii, and Mexico.

I wholeheartedly dispute your concept of “PROGRESS”, RDS.
More is not progress. Better is progress.

Ken V,

“I wholeheartedly dispute your concept of “PROGRESS”, RDS.
More is not progress. Better is progress.”

Guess that depends on what your view of ‘progress’ is!!  Take a city like Dallas, at one time, it was a small city, but, look at it now, would anyone dispute that Dallas has progressed?  Didn’t they destroy many farms, etc. to create what now is Dallas?  And, isn’t Dallas an example of urban sprawl itself?  Maybe it would be good if Dallas, went out of business, right?

uess that de3pends upon what your view of “progress"is!! I couldn’t agree with you more,RDS.You have made it very evident,repeatedly, that your only concerns are for YOU-your conveniences,your indulgences,your “free market"theory that the end always justifies the means---as long as it not you paying the freight.This is precisely the rationale used time and again to excuse and rationalize the soulless,theoretical rantings of current corporate America.I can only imagine what your attitude would be if “eminent domain"took your home,or your rent houses,and gave you less than fair value to buid a Walmart,or better still a Costco--you’d be squealing like a stuck pig! This is what Walmart shoppers need to understand-who’s to say your neighborhood isn’t next,or your family’s or friends?One neighborhood that wont be invaded is Lee Scott’s,or the politicians who allow these monsters to fester -they never live next door to them either!

(RE:above post)-RDS:I guess that depends upon what your view of “progress"is!!

RDS:Additionally,I dont know any rational human being who would say that police officers,sworn to oath of duty,make any community “better” when they consistently refuse to enforce city ordinances on the books,or local mayors and city councils who reffuse to do a job” for “their constituents,but do a job “on” thieir constituents-not only is this malfeasance in office,but it is more often than not,the rule rather than the exception and hopefully legislative measures will be put in place to hold these officials personally responsible.

ddrb,

“You have made it very evident,repeatedly, that your only concerns are for YOU-your conveniences,your indulgences”

You are very right, Wal-Mart built all of it’s stores across the country, just so “I” could have a place to shop!!

Now let me ask you some questions: On any given day, are there any cars, other than those belonging to the employees, in a Wal-Mart parking lot?  Who is it that is supposed to be the recipients of the ‘customer service’ you claim is lacking at the stores?  Who is it that are in those LONG lines, you claim are almost constantly at Wal-Mart?  Are those people NOT constituents of those mayors and city councils?  Or, should a community look out for YOUR needs and welfare ONLY?  “Hold on a minute, we had better check to see if it is okay with ddrb, before we allow this store to be built”!!

And why, RDS, are Wal-Mart’s sales “sagging”?

RDS:Firstly,I dont ever recall posting anything about customer service “lacking"-I dont shop there,why would I need customer service?I never posted about long lines at
walmart-Idon’t shop there.And yes,many of the shoppers are constiuents of local state and federal government,and some are ex-constituents of some of theswe “former"ploiticians who have done a job ‘on’ their communities,instead of ‘for’ their communties-the police hve much to answer for also,being under civil service codes.As far as checking with me first, that is a legal requirement to fully disclose ,in a timely fashion,the true identity of the lands owner before permitting is allowed. In cases involving federal permits to build,public disclosure and commentary is mandatory.This has not been the case with Walmart on more than one occasionn.Has it ever occurred to Walmart that some of these neighborhoods invadedby24x7 Supercenters now contain EX-Walmart shoppers and their friends and families?When you hit people ‘where they live” they hit back-and quit shopping at Walmart.I suppose Walmart considers that’s just the cost of doing business-like leaving tainted meat on meat counters for months or more,with callous disregard for the consequences to to others,(no doubt the bean counters figured it was chaper to pay off a few e-coli death lawsuits,than quit selling the tainted meat.)Wouldn’t that just be something if you or yours might get hold of a tainted product in the future?

RTDES:In reference to your comment upthread about Dallas,Texas and the destruction of farms for ‘progress’,Amigo,hold on to your Stetson!The Trans Texas Corridor(which is an integral part of the Nafta Superhighway)has a land grab going on right now-and eminent domain figures prominently in these issues.Governor Rick Perry vetoed legislation that gave protection to the citizens of Texas,thus making it easier to seize the farmland to build this superhighway from Lazaro Cardeas,Mexico To Canada,bypassing American seaports and using “inland ports"-Walmart has been at the forefront of the planning of this Mexican port to accomopdate its Chinese goods.Not only will land be seized,but thousands of American port and trucking jobs will be lost.Go to World Net Daily to read more on this.

ddrb,

“RDS:Firstly,I dont ever recall posting anything about customer service “lacking"-I dont shop there,why would I need customer service?I never posted about long lines at
walmart-Idon’t shop there”

Sorry, I must have confused you with someone else, maybe wallstreet!!

“In cases involving federal permits to build,public disclosure and commentary is mandatory”

So, are you saying that NO public meetings were held, in regards to the store of which you speak?

“like leaving tainted meat on meat counters for months or more”

And, you know this HOW, I thought you don’t shop at Wal-Mart?  I believe that the tainted meat, came to the stores tainted!!  Months?  Isn’t that an exaggeration a little?

“Not only will land be seized,but thousands of American port and trucking jobs will be lost”

I thought I heard that most American ports, were overburdoned, and there is only so much coast line, remember NIMBY as well for building ‘new’ ones!!  As for American truckers, will they be BANNED from hauling from that Mexican port?  Sounds to me, like you are taking a situation and trying to fit it into your protectionist senerio!!

I find it strange, that claims are made about how GREAT American products are and how China products are being recalled for various reasons, like food safety, but then we hear about recalls of American products for food safety and I hear no one calling for stopping buying American products!!  I think that is one way thinking, highlighting China’s recalls and downplaying the American recalls, in the name of protectionism!!  Seems that recall problems can come from anywhere in the world!!

Seems that recall problems can come from anywhere in the world!!

Q: What do Topps, Cargill, and China have in common?

A: They all sell to Wal-Mart.

RDS”:So you are saying No public meetings were held"-yes,thats exactly what im saying."Leaving tainted meat on the counter for months"-There have been 2 recalls on frozen meat patties-on the Cargill recall,it stated an August date on the box.Both recalls involved frozen goods which can remain in the counters for far longer than “fresh good”..can you prove how long they were there?"I hear no one calling for a ban on American products”..It is far easier to correct a U.S.problem,than a Chinese one,geographically and legislatively.However,American beef often is often supplemented with mystery meat from unknown origin when ground up (because the mystery meat is less costly.)"Protectionism"-RDS,its not the name you call me, its the one i answer to that counts! This administration certainly hasn’t protected any ones interests but their own and their corporate cronies-the consumer is merely the cash cow,(or should i say the sacrificial lamb.)"As for American truckers,will they be banned ..."Hopefully not,RDS,but do you really think Walmart wont hire the cheapest labor pool they can find to drive those goods up from Lazaro Cardenas?Get real!I would recommend that anyone type in Nafta Superhighway into a google search and it is amazing what is being planned, for our U.S. dollars being spent to create infrastructure south of the border .Lou Dobbs has done some reporting on this and Judicial Watch has filed a FOIA to obtain info on the Security and Prosperity Program-this is part of this overall North American Union Plan.

P.S. Plan on hearing much about this now that ex “El Presidente” of Mexico,Vincente Fox is making the “rounds” hawking his new book!

ddrb,

“RDS”:So you are saying No public meetings were held"-yes,thats exactly what im saying”

If that is so, then why aren’t you out there with a suit against the city for violating the law?  That’s what we do here!!

“Both recalls involved frozen goods which can remain in the counters for far longer than “fresh good”..can you prove how long they were there?”

I didn’t know that the ‘freezer’ was called the ‘counter’, sorry!!  But, you said that “ frozen goods which can remain in the counters for far longer than “fresh good””, so, what is your gripe, after all, I don’t need to prove anything, you made the statement, not me!!

“"As for American truckers,will they be banned ..."Hopefully not,RDS,but do you really think Walmart wont hire the cheapest labor pool they can find to drive those goods up from Lazaro Cardenas?”

So, you make a claim and then admit you don’t really know, right?  And, why shouldn’t Wal-Mart hire the cheapest labor pool?  If you needed your lawn cut and got estimates, would you hire the ‘lowest’ priced or the ‘highest’ priced?

“it is amazing what is being planned, for our U.S. dollars being spent to create infrastructure south of the border”

Gee, that’s never been done before, right?  Think the Panama Canal!!  Oh, I forgot, didn’t Carter, ‘give’ that away?

RDS:"Why aren’t you out there with a suit against the city?"YOU ARE SUGGESTING A LAWSUIT????(IT isn’t just the city,but Federal also,the Army Corps of Engineers.)RE:Frozen goods may not be used immediately,or bought immediaely and tainted meat may linger in freezers for sometime before the ecoli is detected.RE:Lawncare,no I dont hire the cheapest,I hire the best within the allotted amount i wish to spend.Sometimes a bargain is not a value!Re;Infrastructure south of the border-these are roads built with American taxes,but owned by a foreign government,and we will be expected to pay twice because they will be toll roads.I would heartily suggest that anyone interested in the future face of America go to World Net Daily and click on Nafta Super Highway,and to,The New American website and click on the article “Highway Robbery"online exclusive.Huthchison Port Holdings,a Chinese firm is also in charge of enlarging the Panama Canal in addition to constructing the Superport at Lazaro Cardenas.Does anyone wonder why the border fence has been stalled and there is no effort to secure our borders?

RDS:I still have not received a response from you about police officers who refuse,even under court mandate, to enforce city codes,many who work off duty at Walmarts .Is that your idea of progress?I would recommend that anyone who lives in a small town,with limited police officers be forewarned-there may not be one on call for you if there all at Walmart chasing shoplifters.(I believe on the homepage of this site there is an excellent crime statistics report,or you can check Wake-Up Walmart.)

“I believe on the homepage of this site there is an excellent crime statistics report,or you can check Wake-Up Walmart.”

You mean the UFCW-produced Wal-Mart Crime Report?

It does have impressive graphics—beyond that, it’s just another waste of members’ dues…

“I find it strange, that claims are made about how GREAT American products are and how China products are being recalled for various reasons, like food safety, but then we hear about recalls of American products for food safety and I hear no one calling for stopping buying American products!!”

RDS, before I get permanently-banned from WMW for being a bore, I offer you a little something in rebuttal to Kenny’s “they all sell to Wal-Mart” comment:

The current E. coli outbreak has nothing to do with China, Wal-Mart, or even SDV, for that matter.

What it does have to do with, is unsafe conditions at the meat packing/processing plants in question.

Broken-down to the simplest common denominator - workers at these plants are not practicing proper food handling/equipment sterilization techniques. 

We’re talking American workers, at plants that are supposed to be inspected/certified by the U.S. Department of Agriculture on a recurring basis. 

We all know that’s not happening - some blame it on lack of tax dollars diverted to USDA, while others blame Wal-Mart, and even because it’s Tuesday…

If anyone has a concern with food safety (and we all should!), let your voice be known to your elected officials in Washington (hint: the hyperlink is usually imbedded in Screwy’s name at the end of his posts) - your Congress-people have the power to say where your tax dollars are to be spent.

Bill the Shill-’Beyond that ,it is just a waste of members’ dues” Those statistics,whether you reject the source are not represent valid records of numbers of verified police reports. As a wise person once told me long ago,"If the Good Lord means you to know it,he can dispatch the devil himself to bring you the truth!”...The victims of all these verified crimes would consider your dismissal of their suffering and loss as truly adding insult to injury.

Correction:That should have read ..."Whether you reject the source OR not,they represent valid records.....” t

ddrb,

Good job on the name-calling—I’m sure Ken and the rest must be proud of you…

Shill

Bill:Before you get your “dobber” down,go to the thread “Walmart needs to do things different” and read my last post-now come on “B"ill the “S"hill-I could have used the first two initials.....

ddrb,

“RDS:I still have not received a response from you about police officers who refuse,even under court mandate, to enforce city codes,many who work off duty at Walmarts”

Sounds like you live in a real corrupt city, police violating court orders, and the courts not following up on it, the city council not holding meetings on zonings, what, are the citizens afraid to take them to task?

“YOU ARE SUGGESTING A LAWSUIT????(IT isn’t just the city,but Federal also,the Army Corps of Engineers.)”

Yes, when it is justified, there is a big difference between losing 5 minutes on your lunch break and a crooked city, taking away your rights!!  Sounds like this is all a big conspiracy, involving the Feds, the Corps of Engineers, your city council, the police and your court system, I never realized that Wal-Mart had so much power!!

“Those statistics,whether you reject the source are not represent valid records of numbers of verified police reports.”

Gee, and when Nick cited statistics from Wal-Mart, verified by the SEC, IRS, etc., the anti crowd rejected them!!  Guess that only works, when it’s statistics that your side presents, right?

“WM=WalMart Wm.(short for William ) Bill(Short for William)”

“...now come on “B"ill the “S"hill-I could have used the first two initials.....”

Your conspiracy theories are making Kenny proud…

For the record, ddrb, the only thing you got right was that Bill is short for William (great detective work!).

Oh, and I have been known to BS someone, every now and then…

B

Bill in:How do you know the Great KenTzu is proud of me?Its the first i’ve heard of it .How would YOU know?

RDS:"Sounds like you live in a corrupt city..."Yes,it is,like many other cities whose local,state,and federal agencies are influenced by greed and big business lobbying efforts.How do you think so many WalMarts are built over the objections of local groups(If they even know a Walmart is on the horizon in time to rally against it.) Back door deals,and permitting processes that do not provide full and fair disclosure in a timely manner are classic ploys,as are the confidentiality agreements.I would suggest you read Al Norman’s books or go to Sprawl-busters website for unlimited info on this subject."Gee,and when Nick cited statistics...."Firstly,I wasn’t posting when these statitics you refer to were evidently posted.But,RDS, quoting numerical stats from Economic compilations is not the same as the human suffering and death that arereflected in the police crime statistics reports.Does anyone know if there are any newer stats on crime at Walmart and Sam’s...somebody oughtta start a website just to compile these numbers.

The Great KenTzu is proud of you, dd!

**Um...apparently you didn’t get the memo, dd. Bill made me King...so from now on my offical title is…

Great King KenTzu

Common sense is that layer of prejudices which we acquire before we are sixteen. ~ Albert Einstein

Ken V in Texas:Oh, Great King Ken Tzu, I, your humble peasant thank you for the generosity of your compliment(said with bowed head ,exiting backwards through the door-you know you never turn your back toward the monarch!)

I love Walmart.  Walmart has done more good for our economy than bad.  Walmart has been responsible for keeping inflation in check by providing products and services at very low cost.  While everything else seems to be going up, i.e. the price of fuel, my state and federal taxes, my heating costs, the prices at Walmart have been going down.  How can this be a bad thing?  I think all of you people who are opposed to Walmart are idiots who have nothing better to do than to bitch and complain about a well run, well organized, professional company like Walmart.  Stop wasting your time with this nonsense.  Loosers.

Ken V: If you go back on PutnamLIVE today,you’ll get some primo pics of WalMart “Good Neighbor” policy in action-A guy threatening someone with a wrench-hey,it hasn’t got started good,yet!

Ken V in Texas:P.S: If you go to Sprawl-busters,click on Newsflash,August11,2007 archive article entitled"Why don’t Walmart execsl live next door to Walmarts?” re:Lancaster,Massachusetts.

I hate Walmart. Walmart has done more bad for our economy than good.  Walmart has been irresponsible for impoverishing their employees to keep products and services at very low cost.  While everything else seems to be going up, i.e. the price of fuel, my state and federal taxes, my heating costs, the prices at Walmart have been going up as well. How can this be a good thing? I think all of you people who are in love with Walmart are unpatriotic fools who have no ability or desire to figure out what is really going on with a taxpayer subsidies guzzling, tax evading, poverty creating, Chinese communist supporting economic whorehouse company like Walmart.  Start paying attention with a little time to serious corporate malfeasance. America.