You Get What You Pay For…and Pay For and Pay For and Pay For

is this what is meant by the walmart effect-the how low can you go paradigm? are there not choices thatshould never be compromised to the bottom line, for the commonwealth of a community or nation,instead of the individual wealth of shareholders ?

You have a choice as to whether or not you want to buy items at Wal-Mart. Why do we not have the same choice when the government decides to take $50 + billion of our hard earned dollars and rebuild a slum full of welfare bums and criminals that sits on the Gulf of Mexico-BELOW SEA LEVEL?!

The analogy of saving money now costing you more money later has nothing to do with Wal-Mart. You do not have to shop at Wal-Mart and Wal-Mart will not make your life worse if you do not shop there. But bridges, highways, New Orleans, easy immigration, criminals and terror attacks WILL make your life worse.

Just another example of WMW trying to tie Wal-Mart in with unrelated issues.

“Nick,you evidently dont have a 24x7 supercenter walmart just mere feet from your backyard and bedroom wincdows-honking,beeping,belchingvehicles and diesel emissions,crime.devaluation of property,loss of peace and privacy--i can assure you,walmart does make life incredibly worse for many who never did shop and most certainly willNEVER enrich the Bentonville coffers.Move_did i mention the devaluation of property?did i also mention the stealth tactics employed to conceal that walmart was even coming into your local neighborhood?

“Why do we not have the same choice when the government decides to take $50 + billion of our hard earned dollars and rebuild a slum full of welfare bums and criminals that sits on the Gulf of Mexico-BELOW SEA LEVEL?!”

Oh NO…
No, NO, NO!
Come on Nick… NO!

Oh my god, I almost want to puke to think you live in the same country I DO!
Are you insane?
Had a very, very, bad day?
You been sucking Anne Coulter’s breast milk, WHAT?

Take it back Nick, please for god’s sake take that back.

Man, if you don’t take that back, I swear, and I have not prayed in a long time, but I will drop to my knees this very night and pray that the god of vengeance allow the prosecutor inflict you with the selfsame sufferings these people have.

Beyond the pale, I am stunned.

Cazar—you have also lost it, including credibility!!!

Sage,

I could care less your opinion on my credibility.

When it comes to disposing pure evil thought, I will pray all I want, to the God I choose.

Sorry if that does not fit into your level of tolerance.

I think nick needs to be put in the funny farm,he is a danger
to us all.

$50 + billion of our hard earned dollars and rebuild a slum full of welfare bums and criminals that sits on the Gulf of Mexico-BELOW SEA LEVEL?!

$50 billion. What is it you pro Wal-Marts always say when Bentonville squanders a million here and a million there?  Oh, yeah, a drop in the bucket.

I think Nick is trying to get banned so he can cry like a little girl about how unfair life is.

Nick

You let your true colors shine through on that post. I think that your White Night buddies are waiting on you for the cross burning. 

If you want to bitch at someone about the 50 billion price tag I would suggest that you send your comments to the White House and make it Attn: GW. It’s his “sweet heart” deals with Halliburton and their “NO BID” contracts that have created this kind of price tag.

Big D

There is a simple rule of thumb to follow: the more often a person says “Halliburton” the lower their IQ. Now, I will not defend Bush’s pretending to be a Democrat and spending us out of existence. I will not defend the waste in Iraq and the power of the military industrial complex. Nor will I defend domestic waste. BUT I will defend my right, as a taxpayer, to stop bailing people out again and again. Perhaps you were not familiar with New Orleans until you saw it on TV.

Louisiana in general and New Orleans in particular, have been corruption centers controlled by Democrats for decades. The taxpayers have poured huge amounts of money into New Orleans, for levies, housing projects, environmental and wetland restoration, water and sewage, streets & paving, etc. Have you ever heard the phrase “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me”? What this means is, if I am dumb enough to get ripped off once, you are the bad guy. If I let it happen again, I am a bad guy for putting myself in that situation.

What do people in New Orleans expect from us? We’ve supported them and subsidized them for decades. At what point do you ask people to stand on their own two feet? The aftermath of Katrina showed us why we should cut off funding for that city. There were people who were so helpless and stupid, they made little or not effort to help themselves. Instead, they waited around for government help, looting in the meantime. They were not self-sufficient enough to help themselves. They are wards of the state. There are tens of thousands of people from New Orleans who are STILL waiting to be told what to do, demanding money and threatening to sue the very taxpayers who have supported them all their lives!

We have helped this city out enough. We cannot continue to subsidize ignorant behavior. The people of New Orleans already know what the danger is and they have had billions of dollars wasted on them already. You cannot continue to fight nature and rebuild a city again and again and again. When North Dakota experienced freak floods a few years ago, the people received ZERO federal dollars in assistance. The people helped each other out, saved those in danger and rebuilt on their own. Perhaps because they are already self-sufficient.

Is it racist to demand that people help themselves? To demand that people take advantage of free education, employment opportunities, training and career options? Is it unreasonable to demand that people stop stealing money from others? Is it unfair to ask that people rely on themselves, their families, their friends, their neighbors, their church, their local charities, their communities, their local, county, state and federal governments, in that order?

I have no problem with New Orleans rebuilding. Let them. Just don’t ask me to keep paying for it. If that is discriminatory, so be it. I like having money and I want to keep it. I also do not demand that others give ME their money. Perhaps the New Orelans residents can get jobs working to rebuild their city, like the residents of Chicago after the Great Fire.

A man (his name escapes me) once wrote that a Democracy will only exist until such time as the people realize they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. Thus, my idea that people who are on welfare or who have never paid taxes should not be permitted to vote.

I expect the attacks that will come from the PC crowd.....................

At what point do you ask people to stand on their own two feet? ~Nick

This is the question many of us would ask of the “Iraqi government.”

“I will not defend the waste in Iraq and the power of the military industrial complex.” ~Nick

But you’re not ashamed to worship at the alter of capitalism, are you Nick? Who do you think keeps the machinery of the “Military-industrial complex” running, if not “the capitalists” and special monied interest groups who are profiting from the war in Iraq?  You’ve openly taken a stance as a defender of “free trade.” You’re joined by the Religious Right, people like Anne Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, radical conservatives, Neo Cons, The Heritage Foundation and other flag-waving jingoistic “think tanks"… where do you think the “military-industrial complex” derives its power from?  Certainly NOT from “We the People.”

Say what you want, Nick.  Try to sell it if you can.  You’re not fooling anyone!  The truth is...anyone who’s been reading this blog and your posts for even a short time, knows exactly what you stand for.  The “military-industrial complex” you “say” you don’t defend, is inextricably linked to everything you hold dear.

I don’t usually agree with a lot of Nick’s posts.  However the one above (Sept 13, 10:11 PM) is completely correct.

If one does not believe it then you have never studied what a constitutional republic is, or should be.  That is what we have or did have—a Republic.

Because of what has developed in our country makes me a strong supporter of Ron Paul.

Nick

Okay you want me to talk about the largest contractor in the U.S. perhaps the one that got the biggest chunk of those NO BID contracts. Alright then you got it then, Kellogg Brown and Root, how’s that for mentioning sweetheart deals with out using the “H” word. Oh but wait a second, Halliburton owns Kellogg Brown and Root so how do you mention one with the other.

The problem with guys like you is you don’t want to hear the truth. It’s just like when people spoke out about this war for oil, and anyone that disagreed with it, the right wing was real quick call them “un-American” or even “Enemy sympathizers” hell Ann Colton just came out and called them “traitors”. It has been an effective way to shut up a lot of descent from people with very little backbone and no balls. But I’m here to tell you I’m not one of them; your puny insults don’t now, and aren’t going to stop me from telling it like it is. I’m calling a spade a spade and you know it!!!! But of course you already know that what I’m saying is true, and that’s what bothers you the most

What Were You Saying About “Credibility”, Sage?

“Because of what has developed in our country makes me a strong supporter of Ron Paul.” The Sage

You told Cazar, “you have also lost it, including credibility!!!”

Your quote above, proves once again, that YOU never had any credibility!

There is a simple rule of thumb to follow: the more often a person says “Halliburton” the lower their IQ.

Exactly whose rule (and thumb) is that? Is that one of Mary’s? Yours?

The fact you made a “rule” and then immediately broke it brings this to mind:

Republicans have a bad habit of laying down rules for other people to follow while excluding themselves. ~ Maureen Dowd

At the risk of losing my Mensa membership let’s try out your ‘rule‘.

Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton!

Goo goo, Gaa, gaa. Are you my mommy?

nomomaniac: Someone completely obsessed with rules.

P.S. A man (his name escapes me) once wrote that a Democracy will only exist until such time as the people realize they can vote themselves money from the public treasury.

You brought up this bogus argument before, Nick. The flaw is the assumption that people “can vote themselves money from the public treasury”. They can’t. The people they vote for can, but that’s a completely different story.

(Besides, technically the US is <b>not<b> a democracy.)

is it possible lthat nick is actually an employee of this site? that hes like a shill to keep the dialogs going? surely there has to be a logical reason that he is allowed to continue posting such unconstructive,delusional drivel....this kind of continous,hateful datribe does nothing to furrther the real issues of betterment of society in general and those impacted by walmart,in particualr-thatsMY opinion,and Im stickin’ to

Big D,

“It’s just like when people spoke out about this war for oil”

Two things, if our main interest in Iraq is the oil, why didn’t we go for it the first time (Desert Storm) and where is this all this oil we went to get, from what I have heard, we aren’t getting any yet?

Ken V,

“The flaw is the assumption that people “can vote themselves money from the public treasury”. They can’t. The people they vote for can, but that’s a completely different story”

No, it isn’t a “ completely different story”, any time you elect people who will give you money, it is the SAME as voting yourself money!!  Do the words “Pork Barrel Projects” ring a bell with you?

how about taxation without representation?does that old melody ring anyones chimes??

In my lifetime I’ve voted for several candidates that won but I never got a dime??

Do the words “Pork Barrel Projects” ring a bell with you?

You mean like the government building Wal-Mart a new driveway in Bentonville? How do you get this pork barrel thing to work for you, RDS?

I sure will be glad when we get rid of those Republican pork barrel artists.  Look it up sometime. 2005 and 2006 were particularly pork-a-licious years!

Ken,

Yeah, they were, weren’t they?

http://newsbusters.org/node/2887

Bill

RDS

“Two things, if our main interest in Iraq is the oil, why didn’t we go for it the first time (Desert Storm) and where is this all this oil we went to get, from what I have heard, we aren’t getting any yet?”

What color is the sky in the world that you live in? What planet do you reside? I only know that if it were in the Milky Way Galaxy you would have seen the price of oil go from about $.95 to $1.25 per gal. 5 or so years ago, to a jump of in some cases of 300% almost over night. The price of a gal. of gas stays right around $3.00 per gal in the U.S. while in Iraq it stays around $.05 per gal.

The Expression “War for Oil” doesn’t have to mean to own the oil or to have 50 barrels of the stuff in every Americans back yard. It can also mean the “control” of the prices.  It gives oil companies the excuse to price gouge the American public, using this wrongful war as an excuse.

RDS, if you haven’t seen this, you really do need to come down too earth once in a while and check things out for yourself.

Big D

Why do you embarass yourself? Do you know anythng about this war? Saddam Hussein defied us for more than a decade. He defied the terms of the peace treaty HE SIGNED TO SAVE HIMSELF FROM DESTRUCTION IN THE GULF WAR!!! THE UN forced him to sign this and the UN enforced the no-fly zones. Saddam harassed UN inspectors and made them wait up to 72 hours for “suprise” weapons inspections while trucks came and went. Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for defying UN resolutions. Hillary Clinton and every other prominent Democrat said that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. This man refused to comply with UN resolutions, as pointed out by Hillary Clinton. The Democrats not only voted for the war, they demanded a SECOND resolution of their own, so they could appear to be tough on defense in front of the American people! This war was fought out of necessity and won in splendid fashion. The conflict that has gone on for 3 years has to do with Iran sending bombers across the border. What we need is to overthrow the Iranian government. This is the only thing that can stop the attacks.

You mention $3 oil. Do you realize that oil is sold on a world market? Do you realize that production has remained steady for years, either through limitations or artificial quotas from OPEC? Do you understand supply and demand? 10 years ago, there was no conflict going on. China and India were not consuming large amounts of oil. There was more supply than there was demand. Russia had just started selling oil on the world market. The oil countries had to sell oil at any price in order to generate revenue. THAT is why oil was cheaper. Now, look at the US market. The Democrats have refused to allow drilling for any new supplies. They have refused to allow any new refineries to be built in nearly 30 years. They demand that oil companies switch from summer to winter blends each year. They demand that oil companies produce 24 different blends of gas around the country. THEN they tax the oil companies to death.

Here is some simple info for you to digest:

*While the average profit on the sale of a gallon of gasoline is nine cents, the average state and federal tax on that same gallon of gasoline is about 45 cents (and 52 cents in Michigan).

*The term “price gouging” implies that gas stations have an ability to forcibly inflict harm on us--but they do not. Any price we pay for a gallon of gasoline--whether $1 or $3--we pay voluntarily, based on the value of the gasoline to us. If we think we are spending too much on gasoline, we are free to drive less, to buy more fuel-efficient cars, to use carpools or busses, or to travel by bicycle or on foot. Gas station owners cannot force us to buy gasoline; they can only offer us a trade, which we are free to accept or reject.

*Exxon Mobil earned record profits of nearly $40 billion last year while government stole more than $100 billion in taxes generated by Exxon Mobil alone. If you are going to complain about gas prices, complain about a government that takes an amount equal to 250% of a company’s profits.

This country was founded as a free-market Constitutional Republic. It has evolved into a Socialist/capitalist Democracy.

Nick

So that’s the “current” reason for the war? I can’t keep up with the lies as to why we attacked a country that did in NO WAY threaten us or try in any way to attack us.

I thought that the first reason was” 9/11” but of coarse we all found out that they really didn’t have anything to do with it. No matter how hard this ‘Fascist Regime” has tried to tie Iraq to it. Even with all the help from FOX news.

Then they tried to scare us all into believing that they were producing WMD"s and were going to use them on us. Even though the intelligence said it was not so, and of coarse low and behold, NO WEAPONS!!! More lies.....

Then it was “NUCULAR” weapons that they tried to scare us with in order to sell this lie to the American public. Of coarse this one was a bit more subtle, but still effective and naturally, another LIE!!!!

I have lost track of the “reasons” for this war so forgive me if I can’t keep up with what the story is this week.

Have you and others forgotten that 14 of the 19 terrorists involved in the 9/11 attack had “SAUDI” passports and the other 5 had “EGYEPTION” need I mention that NOT one of the TERRORISTS was an IRAQ citizen.

So tell me Nick, is your explanation the “Official” one this week? Forgive me if I don’t try to commit that to memory, it’ll just change in a few days anyway.

while on the subject of oil,is anyone on this blog aware of walmart legally distancing itself from murphy oil? i am told this is being done all over the country and have this upon reliable autority=is this part of the greenwash or litigation liabilities(Mereaux,la. $$$$$$$$$ katrina lawsuit)?

ddrb—you were told that “...walmart legally distancing itself from murphy oil?” Who was this reliable source.

I just saw Murphy Oil build some gasoline service stations right adjacent to Wal Mart Super Centers.

well,i said legally distancing themselves-public notices were sent out to adjacent properties regarding the legal divsion of propertyboundaries between murphy oil and walmart-i believe a firm named kimley-horn of dallas was involved in the surveying for legal filings.

oh,BTW,sage, my reliable source was myself,i received one of these public hearing notices regarding division of legal boundaries between walmart and murphy oil

Nick

Timing is every thing. You obviously haven’t seen the news about Ray Hunt of Hunt Oil and his secret deal with the Curds to keep this war going. I would suggest that you watch the news more closely. I think that this story is a real onion and at the heart of it ....you guessed it, the president and our old buddies at....... you got it, HALLIBURTON.

It seems this piece of sh...Crap sits on the board of...... that’s right, HALLIBURTON. Seems that he has been sharing our government’s secrets about this war to prolong the fighting and....you got it, INCREASE OIL PRICES. Lets hear it for GW and his choices of appointments.......you can say it, Ray hunt, Dick Chaney and of course.......HALLIBURTON!!!!!

How would you like your CROW served up? Of coarse you might want to remove you foot before eating that crow, unless you want some corns with your meal.

Big D,

“What color is the sky in the world that you live in? What planet do you reside? I only know that if it were in the Milky Way Galaxy you would have seen the price of oil go from about $.95 to $1.25 per gal. 5 or so years ago, to a jump of in some cases of 300% almost over night. The price of a gal. of gas stays right around $3.00 per gal in the U.S. while in Iraq it stays around $.05 per gal.”

Maybe you should take some time and watch CNBC for a short time!!  Across the top of the screen, you will see the current price of a barrel of oil and the current ‘wholesale’ price of gas!!  These prices are not set by the oil companies, but rather by the commodites market, based on supply and demand!!  Right now, the ‘wholesale price of ‘reformulated gasoline’ is about $2.12 a gallon, so you can take the price you pay and subtract the ‘wholesale price’ and the average $.09 the station owner gets and then you will find out what the taxes are!!  People tend to forget, that the price includes drilling expenses, payment to country of origin, refinement costs, and transportation costs!!

“Then they tried to scare us all into believing that they were producing WMD"s and were going to use them on us. Even though the intelligence said it was not so,”

If this was true, explain why almost all of the senators and congressmen (both Republican and Democrat, including Hillary), using the same intelligence, approved the war?  What your info is, is ‘monday morning quarterbacking’!!  Why did Saddam keep jacking the UN inspectors around for years, if he had nothing to hide?  Besides, do you remember, that George Bush gave Saddam, I believe it was 2 weeks to ‘get out of the country’?  How many weapons could be removed in two weeks?

“need I mention that NOT one of the TERRORISTS was an IRAQ citizen.”

We are not in Iraq, fighting the Iraqi people, but rather the ‘insurgents’ (people from outside of Iraq)!!  We never had a problem with the Iraqi people, only Saddam and his regime, the ones oppressing the people of Iraq!!

RDS

Tell that to the 500,000 Iraqi’s that this war has KILLED! I would have to say that that kind of help they can do without.

And BTW it’s the Saudi’s that control the price of oil. If they want the price to increase they hold back on production, if they want the price to drop, they flood the market. How naive are you anyway. Don’t you know that it’s the Sheik with his hand on the oil valve to the world that ultimately sets the price? Not the market.

Big D,

Guess you never heard of OPEC!!  Not all oil comes from Saudi!!  Sure, production of oil affects the market, but, that falls under the heading of SUPPLY and DEMAND!!

OPEC just announced that they were going to INCREASE production, do you think we will see the price fall?

BTW: You said, “it’s the Saudi’s that control the price of oil”, now, does the Shiek, own all the oil companies?  Last time, you said it was the oil companies that were “price gouging”, now, which is it, the Shiek or the oil companies?

“Guess you never heard of OPEC!!” ~RDS

I guess you’re not aware of the role the commodities market or traders play, are you RDS?  Many times the price of oil has nothing to do with “supply and demand.” Often the price of oil will fluctuate based on speculation about possible events rather than factual conditions.

But thanks to all your friends and that Chinese middle class you’re helping to create (wait till they all take to the road) with your Wal-Mart purchases, it’s a safe bet oil will reach the $100 a barrel mark.

has anyone projected down the road the demand for oil and the implications of the nasco corridor all the way from the mexican port of lazaro cardenas ,through the american heartland,up to canada?there has been littles said in the media about this superhighway,but it has huge negative implications for security,truckers, longshoremen, and greenhouse emissions- a site with info on this subject is World Net Daily--I had read somewhere that canada provides much of our oil....

Screwedby,

“I guess you’re not aware of the role the commodities market or traders play, are you RDS?  Many times the price of oil has nothing to do with “supply and demand.” Often the price of oil will fluctuate based on speculation about possible events rather than factual conditions.”

DUH, read my post above (September 15 at 01:19 AM), where I said just that, “These prices are not set by the oil companies, but rather by the commodites market, based on supply and demand!!”, so don’t tell me what I am aware of!!  Besides, that speculation is based on the effect to ‘supply and demand’ factors!!

don’t tell me what I am aware of!! ~RDS

TEST:  RDS...take each of your arms and reach around to your backside and take a firm grip!  Are you aware of that?

Guess all my hyperbole stirred a pretty good debate.

First I have a problem with the logic of ‘categorizing’ an entire group of people as ‘stupid…bums.. criminals..’ based on their geographic location.

This is a very extreme and dangerous mode of thinking, which left unchecked leads to total disregard for individual and human rights.

It is a mode of thinking, which attaches geography to a particular set, sect, or group.
The inherent danger of such thought is that one loses perspective in terms of the properties of individuality.

I cannot emphasize enough, how dangerous it becomes to allow such ideology even the smallest amount of ’wiggle room’.

For what is happening here: (and I do not condemn Nick, per se. , but those whom have been instrumental in radicalizing his thought. I think he young and not understand serious radical infiltration)
What is happening here is the exact same radical ideology, which ’shapes’ and ’defines’ ethnically homogenous geographical areas.

It is the same ilk of radical thought, which has led to displacement of persons considered ’inferior’, either ethnically or socially.
One ’key’ indicator of radical exclusion (ethnic cleansing) involves the removal of all vestiges of ’community’.
Where homes, graveyards, churches, shops, local ‘cultural’ elements are removed.

Now this is what I know and do not know:
I know the victims of Katrina were Americans.
I do not know how many were bums, criminals, welfare cheats, tax-dodgers.. etc.
I know I have no ‘morally certified’ lens to microscope them.

I know as an American taxpayer, I’d rather my tax dollars go to rebuilding a great American city, than building ‘T-walls’ in some foreign nation’s capital.

I know given the lesser of two evils, I rather support American ‘bums’ who like me, rather than foreign ‘bums’ who kill me.

Cazar

Bravo!!!!! As usual your post was very eloquent and poignant. Thank you for that. I only wish that I had the same mastery of our language and ability to translate my thoughts to the written word as you have. Perhaps more time and practice with offer up better results on my part. In the mean time, I look for to more of you thoughts.

Big D

I’ll say one thing for Cazar-you didn’t get your brown nosing skills from him!

Cazar, I agree with you 100%. Given two choices, the choices being $50 billion tax dollars to rebuild New Orleans or $50 billion tax dollars for foreign tsunami relief, I will take New Orleans every time. But why must we be limited to those two choices? Why shouldn’t the government cut spending?

Our government was granted very specific, very limited powers under the Constitution. It has strayed far beyond those powers. The Founders did not give the Federal government the right to control activities such as road building, education, welfare, etc. These activities are best left to the states, and the actual implementation of these programs will vary from state to state, depending on the state constitutions. Our government could cut spending by 50% TOMORROW and it would not affect most of our lives one iota. Why doesn’t the government get tough on spending? Well, because they have a guaranteed revenue source-the taxpayer-and a guaranteed constituency that contributes little or nothing-more than 50% of working age Americans. When people are more invested in what they can get rather than how they can limit the taxes they pay, the nation is in trouble. The reason there is no interest in tax reform is that so few Americans actually pay taxes! The reason there is no interest in spending cuts is because there is a built-in constituency for every program!

Here are some of my solutions:

1. Get government out of the health care business, outside of setting certain standards required for consumer protection.

2. Get government out of the mortgage/housing business. Disband Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

3. Get the federal government out of higher education. Grants, subsidies, etc. combined with available federal aid (ie. loans) have encouraged colleges to raise their costs.

4. Start privatizing Social Security. Make retirement and health care savings pre-tax and simple to set up at minimal costs to workers. If people are invested in their own retirement and healthcare (ie. their effort makes the difference) they will become better consumers and more informed investors.

5. Demand Constitutional Amendments forcing members of Congress to work under the same health and retirement laws as the average citizen, enforce term limits of 12 years total in Congress, do away with McCain-Feingold, eliminate Pork Barrel spending, ban the naming of buildings after public servants, demand accounting for EVERY tax dollar spent and cut spending. Congress should be put in a room and be told to find cuts equal to 50% of the current budget. Maintain current tax rates. Even a 25% savings will yield about $700 billion. Elimination of the IRS will save us another $600 billion per year and elimination of government interference in the health care marketplace will save us $700 billion in paperwork and red tape. An additional $1.3 trillion in our pockets and $700 billion to cover Social Security until private accounts catch up (with maybe half the savings devoted strictly to debt reduction) could save this nation.

6. But I am dreaming. And I am deluded to wish for a utopia of small government, maximum individual freedom and absolute personal responsibility.

Nick

I don’t think that paying someone a sincere compliment is brown nosing. Brown nosing is usually insincere flattery given to someone that you are attempting to receive some sort of reward from. That’s just not the case here.

The fact is I don’t agree with Cazar on every issue, I happen to on this one. I do appreciate his literary skills and his ability to relate his thoughts in a civil and clear manor. It’s something that I have been trying to do but have had little luck in mastering.

I appreciate your response Nick.

Even though you failed to listen to anything I had to say, I hope others understood.

I have nothing to do with the ‘herrings’ you now offer.
Blah, blah, blah, about Constitution, Founders, Federal, IRS, and all such rhetoric.

All such rhetoric is useless, unless there is a point.

But you made a point previously, which I challenged, and you now seem to avoid, and obfuscate.

My post challenged the mode of thinking, you intimated when you gave the categorization of a group of individuals, defined by their geographic location.

Now since you offered no logical response, I will take the liberty to be rude.

You are very ignorant. You do not realize your own radicalization of thought.

What you propose is an indication of ‘moral superiority’, in that you are able to define ’groups’ by geographic location, ‘those’ somehow unworthy of equal rights under the Constitution of The United States.

Again I submit, this is the mode of thought which often evolves radical thought to the point of ’ethnic cleansing’ .

“some of my solutions”

Your solutions, Nick?

Screwedby,

“TEST:  RDS...take each of your arms and reach around to your backside and take a firm grip!  Are you aware of that?”

Why, is that what YOU do every morning to be sure you are aware you still exist and how wonderful you are?

cazar...ive been wondering where our"voice in the wilderness"has been---what a relief youre still posting on this site,and i agree with your earlier comments regarding the cavalier and callous attitude shown toward certain segments of our societythat aredeemed and dismissed as somehow inferior or less than others(referring specifically to nicks denigration of those unfortunate souls in new orleans .)Does anyone really stand taller when its on the backs of his fellow man? After all, a pygmy is still a pygymy,,even if he’sstanding on the empire state building-

I just want you kids to know I’m very proud of you (except for Nick*). We can disagree, even vehemently, and still play nice.

*For being a disruptive influence, Nick, I am assigning you this to read. Be prepared for a quiz tomorrow.

cazar

I did read your post and I did understand. Sometimes you ramble and I don’t quite follow but I did follow you here. I will address what I think is one of your points, namely the lumping of individuals into a group based on geographic location. If you read my previous post, you would know that I agree with your theory of tax dollar allocation. As I said, given a choice (and only these two choices) between rebuilding New Orleans or spending the $50 billion in Tsunami relief, I will choose New Orleans 100% of the time.

I did not mean to classify all New Orleans residents as “bums, criminals, etc.”. However, you must admit that the aftermath was a sorry and pathetic site. Grown men and women running around like zombies, waiting to be told what to do, demanding payment because their taxpayer owned housing had just been flooded. People looting and committing other crimes, including shooting at rescuers. Men getting off the FEMA provided bus to the Superdome and comparing the Buses to “slave ships” and demanding “reparations”. The taxpayers have spent untold billions on this city over the years and we have, thus far, spent $118 billion to rebuild a city that sits below ocean level.

There were 300,000 residents in New Orleans prior to Katrina. This means that the taxpayers could have written a check for $393,000 to every man, woman and child in New Orleans! This is in addition to private donations. At what point do you demand that people help themselves? This is a waste of our money.

You said that I ignored your whole post- I did not. I said, and I believe, that the individual is the biggest minority and that the individual’s rights should be protected. I have a right to what I have earned (my income). Other people DO NOT have a right to what I have earned (tax dollar transfers). If people want to give their entire fortune for Katrina relief, I wholeheartedly support their right to do so. You can give everything you have to these people. It is none of my concern. What IS my concern is when the federal government, at gunpoint, takes money from me and gives it to others. To steal from one to give to another because of “need” is theft!

I’m sorry if you misunderstood my post. I don’t think taxpayers should pay for Tsunami relief OR the rebuilding or Baghdad OR New Orleans. Let people help themselves through their own efforts and through private charity.

“We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society.” [Hillary Clinton, 1993]

We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ...” [President Bill Clinton, ‘USA Today’ March 11, 1993: Page 2A]

“Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all.” [Nikita Khrushchev , February 25, 1956 20th Congress of the Communist Party]

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” [Samuel Adams]

“In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other.” [Voltaire]

“America’s abundance was created not by public sacrifices to ‘the common good,’ but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America’s industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance—and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.” [Ayn Rand]

Nick,

Not that you are informed or possess any wisdom, these thoughts however sum up part of your attitude problem-

“The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential.”
- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.”
Abraham Lincoln

“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
1 Timothy 6:10

“The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked regardeth not to know it.”
Proverbs 29:7

WalMart- Slave More/ Lie Better

Referenced posts--I am not going to quote it all.
ddrb - (Fri Sep 14 8:26pm)
Sage (Fri. Sep 14 10:52pm)
ddrb - (Fri. Sep 14 11:29pm)
ddrb - (Sat Sep 15 12:01am)

I questioned your source for “Murphy Oil distancing itself from Wal-Mart”.  Then you say the source is youiself and
something about a flyer.  Neither made logical sense.

There was “no legal distancing” from anything.  Apparently there was to be a survey to determine the property lines. Whether there was a dispute between WM or MO as to where the line is or was is not made clear. 

I would assume this was done actually before MO would have even built a station.  I don’t understand the public notice to you (ddrb) unless you had adjacent property or
there was some type of easement contemplated.

At times your posts are not cogent and can’t be understood.
By your post it ccould be construed that MO has a dispute with WM and is trying to distance (sever) a relationship.

For you and Screwedby who made the remark that I (The Sage) lacked credibilty:  Can you kindly give me one post of mine that was not credible (in other words lacked credibilty)?

dear sage, thank you for your reply to my post,and as a coutesy, i will attempt to clarify ,to your specifications,once again my statments,but im having trouble following YOUR posts,too.Evidently,there is a failure to communicate!  I asked if anyone knew anything about the partitioning of walmart and murphy oiil propertiesAND INTERESTS--I STILL HAVE NO FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT PROMPTED THIS ACTIONFROM ANY YONE HERE.Secondly,and once again,you are introducing Your erronoeus assumptions, as being my intent or my facts. I never mentioned once the word dispute,nor did i ever suggest that your posts lacked credibity-and, i would appreiciate that the same courtesy from you in return. If for reasons of your own,and for the edification of others,perhaps you could research this matter on your own,and share your findings withus. thank you.

may i add,sage,that IF the divsion of property lines had been done prior to bing biult,why we would you need any hearing at all ? And employ the expesense of an engineering firm,after the fact,to do the legal survey to protect the legal integrity of the transaction???

Wal-Mart-Slave More.Lie Better."--------Wal-Mart----------------------Uncle Sam’s(walton)Plantation......There are NO well adjusted slaves...............anywhere…

“It’s the Pot Calling the Kettle Black”

Quit while you’re ahead, Cazar.  Don’t try to make sense to Nick.

cazar
“Sometimes you ramble and I don’t quite follow...” ~Nick, Sunday, September 16 at 09:43 AM

“But I’ve rambled…Can you understand any of this?”
Nick in
Friday, September 14 at 06:27 PM

I think you lost a few people, Nick!

RDS,

“Why, is that what YOU do every morning to be sure you are aware you still exist and how wonderful you are?”

And he has the nerve to say some of the formers, here were ego-driven…

Bill

Dear Sage:This one’s for you---re:MurphyOil---"Oil Refinery Expansion Raises Lots of Questions,"by James Rowan ,The Capital Times of Madison ,Wisconsin-dated September12,2007. This is intersting from many viewpoints,especially the environmental issues. Worth reading

Dear Sage:You can register for a Google alert for all things Murphy oil today,wednesday,there are a couple of items of interest re:murphy oil appeals case and liabilities.